What the hell is with all the anti-meat propaganda?
I am not eating soy, I am not eating bugs, I am not eating this. Just stop with this nonsense already.
Meat made from recycled carbon dioxide
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can go half way and just use micro organisms like algae. Those are very easy to keep alive, they really just need sun and CO2. Then you can use the sugars and lipids as feed stock for the next step.
Algae are not that easy to keep alive, unless you are skimming a wild pond, or harvesting kelp or something. At that point you might as well get your sugars from conventionally farmed plants.
I grow it myself. Occasionally you have to replenish the nitrates and I keep it in a climate controlled area but other than that it takes pretty much no effort to keep alive.
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#93This is absolutely a 'do not trust these claims without seeing peer-reviewed publication in a reputable journal' territory. For one thing, this is likely to be a slow method of capturing CO2 (H2-powered CO2-capture metabolism, called 'chemoautotrophy' is almost certainly going to be much slower than green plant photosynthetic capture rates). Maybe you could speed it up by adding enough hydrogen at optimal rates, but…
I thought the same thing. It would be cool to work there but I would do DD first! And if it is overly secretive or NDA ish then nah.
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#94Isn't all meat made from recycled carbon dioxide?
I only eat beef that’s fed on the certifiable virgin grass, immortalis gramineae.
It’s very important to me that the carbon the animal has eaten has a natural chain of custody. I don’t want to eat a carbon that’s been combusted or God forbid erupted out of someone’s ass at one point.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's say you have 100 units of CO2, and 0 units of CH4 in the atmosphere, you are producing 100 units of warming per year. Then you do something that converts 20 of those units of CO2 to 20 units of CH4, you are now producing 80 x 1 + 20 x 84 = 1,760 units of warming per year. If you are performing this action at a rate that keeps replenishing the CH4 as quickly as it is degrading, let alone faster than it's degradi…
Yes. We didn’t start with zero. > There are 30m cows in the US, compared to 60m bison 150 years ago.
I mean, you don't have to start with 0, nor does the fact that we had more bison emitting (for the sake of argument, although given all the deforestation, petrochemical use, and other agricultural processes involved in sustaining modern cows I'm not sure it's a given, especially when taking a global view) more methane in the past excuse the damage of the methane emitted by current cows.
We could have had X units of CO2, and Y units of CH4 produced by bison under the past era.
We've eradicated the bison, replaced them with 1/2 their number in cows. We now have X units of CO2, Y/2 units of CH4 produced by cows.
This is still producing more warming than if we eliminated the cows, and went to X units of CO2, 0Y units of CH4 produced by cows.
The existence of the cows still results in more CH4, and more warming, than would be the case if we phased them out, no?
In any case, if we replaced the cows by food sources that produced less than X + Y/2 units of atmospheric CO2 and CH4 respectively, we're better off.
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#96It is pretty insane when you think about it. We could get all the climate harm reduction benefits the article mentions if people would just choose to eat plants instead. Seems like a very simple solution.
There’s nothing simple about changing human nature. If you have to start with "if people would just choose" then it's not viable.
You start with not subsidizing the meat industry massively (via direct handouts, subsidized feed and so on) and making them pay for exterrnalities.
That way they'll have vastly less money for advertising and lobbying.
Then you take the trillions you've saved and use it to bring healthy, convenient, tasty options to put in front of them.
It's actually pretty easy to get people to make different choices, you just make the good choice slightly more convenient and stop subjecting them to 24/7 manipulation to make the terrible choice.
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#97Hot take: actual steak is made from recycled carbon dioxide
Well, they use ever so slightly less fossil fuel methane (which is how this process is powered).
So much of a muchness, really.
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#98What the hell is with all the anti-meat propaganda? I am not eating soy, I am not eating bugs, I am not eating this. Just stop with this nonsense already.
Honest question: why are you afraid of soy?
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#99I don't understand. All meat is made from recycled carbon dioxide (plants, e.g. corn & grass, take CO2 out of the atmosphere and "recycle" it, that's then fed to animals to grow meat). As I always like to says, cows are just recycled grass. Everyone blaming "meat" for global warming is just a shill for the petrol industry, distracting from the real cause (fossil fuels).
> Everyone blaming "meat" for global warming is just a shill for the petrol industry, distracting from the real cause (fossil fuels).
Maybe because most of the petrol industry serves the animal agriculture industry and hundreds of billions of animals it needs to raise and kill annually? Or did you think they don't require any inputs nor produce any outputs other than a corpse?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not simple, you're right, but history has shown again and again that it can be viable. Society has made a lot of progress. In the end people can just choose. If someone reading this right now eats meat, then you can make the choice to eat more plants. Please do so as much as you can, that will make a difference in saving the planet!
Yes society has made a lot of progress - in offering more freedom, luxury and opportunity to more people than ever before - like eating meat. Give me an example of the reverse happening. We cannot "choose" our way out of this situation by somehow getting the entire globe to agree to want less.
For example, animal cruelty. Over time people have been choosing to abuse animals less and less, and today many societies have an increasing number of laws protecting animals.
There are lots of other examples. Domestic violence against a spouse, and violence against children, are things that have changed a lot. Things that were once considered normal, like marital rape or beating a misbehaving child, are now socially unacceptable in many societies.
You are right that history tends towards more freedom. But also towards being more moral (which can mean less freedom in a technical sense). Eating less meat would be an example of that, and it is happening today, just slowly. If more of us make the effort, we can speed it up and help save the planet. It really is a choice each of us can make right now!
You are also right that we don't need to just wait on personal choices. That might not be enough. We can also get governments to subsidize plant-based food to make it cheaper than meat, for example.