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Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

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Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#91

Zoom and Netflix both lost 60-80% of their value in the last year and I don't see anyone declaring them dead. I don't work in crypto but I think there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to seeing all the vaporware projects being wiped out (rightfully so). Consolidation and pruning of wasteful projects is good. If you feel like the work you're personally doing is positive, then don't worry about people dancing on the gra…

> ETH is still a legitimate technology with real use cases.

what would be an example of a real use-case that ETH does well? The core promise of ETH is smart contracts and that code is somehow "law". But that got exposed for the idiotic reasoning that it was and went out of the window when they had to hard-fork in 2017.

No matter what they did since then to improve the old pre-2017 ETH nobody can tell me that bugs don't happen and if they do on this scale then human intervention in inevitable. This is however contra the promise that everything is decentralized by design and not under control of a single actor. Then there are the countless promises about its potential driven up by Gavin Wood & Vitalik Buterin that in hindsight look just like stalling for more time to ensure further funding rounds.

Woods & Buterin are both scammers that extracted millions from their mark. And they were able to do so because they have the technical background to pull it off and are also slightly smarter than the average mobbed-up shit-coin peddler like Dr. Ruja Ignatova or that Australian Satoshi-cosplaying clown Craig Wright.

ETH maybe hasn't been exposed as a scam yet but it is still an example of "fake it till you make it" at all cost and is in the same territorry as "Theranos", "Inventing Anna" - a series of broken promises, stalling techniques for more funding and lost egos of the founders who think of themselves as too big to fail.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#92

Zoom and Netflix both lost 60-80% of their value in the last year and I don't see anyone declaring them dead. I don't work in crypto but I think there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to seeing all the vaporware projects being wiped out (rightfully so). Consolidation and pruning of wasteful projects is good. If you feel like the work you're personally doing is positive, then don't worry about people dancing on the gra…

> ETH is still a legitimate technology with real use cases. what would be an example of a real use-case that ETH does well? The core promise of ETH is smart contracts and that code is somehow "law". But that got exposed for the idiotic reasoning that it was and went out of the window when they had to hard-fork in 2017. No matter what they did since then to improve the old pre-2017 ETH nobody can tell me that bugs don…

> This is however contra the promise that everything is decentralized by design and not under control of a single actor

This is still decentralized because people need to coordinate to make a change. Decentralisation doesn't mean a system without human deciding what happens. It just means decentralisation of the power between the participants and ability to enter the room without creditionalism.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#93
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ETH has been a legitimate technology with real use cases for a decade now and all we’ve got is jpeg’s of apes. With the amount of real money, talent and hard work being pumped into this space we should have seen the use cases materialize by now. But there’s nothing. I’m sure someone uses it for something real, but I haven’t seen crypto actually solve a real problem any better than a plain old database. Please correct…

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Your angry comment is a sadly typical reaction of a cult member having their beliefs challenged.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#94

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Yes. All of this is why "web3" is not bullshit and why I've dedicated years of my energy and my funds to it. Try living in another country too, I have. Banking is the number one pain point. Even more than language issues. Ever tried to get your own money out of a western union in a country that doesn't speak your language? If you're doubting "web3" then you've probably never experienced these sorts of pain yourself a…

IMO, the term web3 is tainted by VCs using retail to dump their tokens faster than they can dump equity in traditional IPO which is less transparent to average schmuck because most of the money comes from the retirement funds passively investing in everything. It's their shortcut to liquidity which resulted in overpromises and dumps. It's not unreasonable for someone to be sceptical but to dismiss it all together is…

Certainly, the marketing around web3 went to shit. But I've been in it for 4 years now so I don't really care about the VC's because I see the larger picture already.

I agree with everything you said, but the end. The ponzi tokenomics definitely needs to stop, but the lego yield stuff has potential. It is more than just unbanked, it is people without lines of credit. It is teaching people how to be fiscally responsible.

Based on my Vietnam example below. Woman with gold teeth instead deposits her stable money into her phone. That money earns yield automatically. She can also use a portion of it as collateral for a Kiva-style loan to help with her farm crops (or whatever small business she has). People who buy her products effectively pay back her loan directly by submitting to her phone app. She's in control of it herself.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#95
post #60

Zoom and Netflix both lost 60-80% of their value in the last year and I don't see anyone declaring them dead. I don't work in crypto but I think there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to seeing all the vaporware projects being wiped out (rightfully so). Consolidation and pruning of wasteful projects is good. If you feel like the work you're personally doing is positive, then don't worry about people dancing on the gra…

ETH has been a legitimate technology with real use cases for a decade now and all we’ve got is jpeg’s of apes. With the amount of real money, talent and hard work being pumped into this space we should have seen the use cases materialize by now. But there’s nothing. I’m sure someone uses it for something real, but I haven’t seen crypto actually solve a real problem any better than a plain old database. Please correct…

ETH launched in 2015, which is 7 years ago, and has been working through fundamental limitations of the technology, building out the technological primitives that will enable mass-consumer blockchain applications in the future.

A list of areas where Ethereum has made huge progress:

* building secure smart contracts - more sophisticated auditing programmes by more experienced companies, improvements in programming languages, including Solidity, and improvements in formal verification techiques, have reduced the prevalence of major hacks of blue chip smart contracts significantly since 2015

* enabling privacy with public validation. Zk-SNARK and other zkp based mixers have gone from theory to reality with the launches of Tornado Cash, the AZTEC Network, and CAPE.

* Protocol fine-tuning, like the implementation of EIP1559, to improve fee predictability

* The creation of a Proof of Stake consensus protocol that maintains the same decentralization of Proof of Work, while providing a given level of security at a much lower economic cost

* Scalability technologies like Optimistic and ZK-Rollups

* Protocol upgrades like sharding to expand the capabilities of Rollups

These all took time to build, and will take more time still to reach production quality, but are shaping up to provide a vastly more useful blockchain platform than what was launched in 2015.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#96

I'm wondering if there is anyone working at GAMMA (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Meta, Amazon) who also worries about the "constant backlash from the public" and if they feel bad about all the abuses their employers make, or if they just laugh all the way to the bank and get to develop a conscience when their companies face financial trouble. Nah, who am I kidding? Who cares about the evil stuff done by BigTech? The mone…

I don't work for any of these companies, and I wanted to do so in the past, but not anymore. Maybe Microsoft is an exception, and that's open to change. I personally do care about the "evil" stuff they do, especially when it comes to privacy and monopolistic practices, but I would never attack or shame anyone for working their, everyone makes their own choice.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#97
I'm one of the "haters". I see no value in crypto in 99.99% of crypto and in the cases that do make sense the actual use for it is borderline money laundering or tax evasion. All the "enthusiasts" seem to want to get rich by getting as many people as they can in their greater fool scheme of choice in the hopes of becoming a Bitcoin billionaire. The obnoxious fan base and practical scams coming out of the marketing department are what I despise most about the whole thing.

However, I don't foster any negative feelings towards developers per se. A job's a job, and crypto isn't exactly as easy as your run of the mill CRUD application development.

By working in the ethereum space you've proven you can work with/around obscure tools, learn strange jargon, probably have some knowledge of cryptographic algorithms, and a willingness to do a deep dive in what you believe in. I'm no hiring manager, but to me that all seems like a bunch of skills that will transfer to many businesses outside crypto.

There's more to a person than what areas of business they have experience in. You can work for Big Oil, Facebook/Google/UmbrellaCorp, or Nestlé and be a perfectly good person just doing their job. Anyone refusing you simply because you worked in crypto at some point is short-sighted.

Even if you are a crucial part in the next big rug-pull-sold-as-ending-world-hunger, I honestly doubt you'll run into too many ethical qualms unless you screw up enough to actually break the law and get caught. It's not like Meta or Wells Fargo suddenly care about ethics if you can talk things straight enough, most big companies are morally bankrupt anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#98
IMHO crypto space is good because the banking sector finally sees they have some competition. And crypto space is global, not tied to country banking sector lobbying (pardon, regulation :P). So, for example, in my country (and I believe many others as well), we have many banks. Still, you can't see competition between them - they usually charge the same/similar fees and give you a similar package. None of them will provide you with some specific derivatives (e.g., currency rate hedging) unless you are a multi-million player, etc.

Is there a scam in the crypto market? Sure, just like it was rampant in the Forex market many years ago. But, you still can find fair players and need to know where to look for them.

PS: I believe this backslash mostly comes from people competing against the crypto market in some way. I could see on Twitter that the loudest are those who are heavily invested in (or will try to sell you at some point) gold, oil, stock market, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#99
Nobody should ever feel guilty for other people's crimes, but more importantly - what is a crypto rug compared to the founding of a bank?

Crypto can't fail, the question is just what kind of crypto there will be, will there be a centralized corpo/state dystopia paired with surveillance or can we recreate everything in a robust, decentralized and anonymous way to bring forth an unprecenentend social mobility for all?

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#100
Here is another angle to look at this ... if you have the stomach or appetite for risk. Stay there and document as much as possible from whatever angle that you can. Immerse yourself in literature about similar failed projects and scams (there are so many now from podcasts to books). Cover the problem domain from as many angles as you can (not just technology but ethics and who gets conned in society, the social dynamics around pump & dump). Write down and corroborate your findings with facts and pay _especially_ attention to time/dates (and who else knew about it).

What you should do will become visible by itself very soon. It'll be crystal clear what is the right thing to do. Contact a journalist? contact the feds? create an anonymous podcast? or talk to somebody who will air your story? write a book? all of the above?

It can be highly stressful and it might take another 2-3 years to gather all the evidence. But the characters in this game are always very shady, and if they haven't already broken some laws or crossed some ethical boundaries they will do so in the future.

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