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The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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AFAUI that setup is not possible with an M1 Mac today. You can only use one external display.

I must be dreaming then, using my M1 Mac with two external 4K displays and the internal display.

Is it a 13” MBP? If not it’s not relevant to this discussion

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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I prefer the current balance of Ive-inspired-designs WITHOUT Ive's obsessions. But something also not frequently said: Apple had amazing designs (compared to the rest of the industry), for 2 decades before Ive started his thing. Heck, NeXT too. Also, if I had to suffer yet another cookie-cutter Ive post-release video about a product, I'd kill myself...

Oh man, those trailers with him speaking are the stuff I MISS the most, it was the last reminder of that old Apple now that keynotes and product launch commercials are so bland and boring I don't even bother to watch them anymore.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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The one thing about all this press from "After Steve" - the author is one of those reporters who tend to make speculative guesses about Apple that have not borne out. Granted, perhaps he took extra effort to get sources/research material for the book but I'd take it with a grain of salt.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Jonathan Ive got rich and started designing luxury products for himself. Stuff like gold Apple Watches that were soon obsolete or ridiculous luxury bands for them. Even a regular leather Apple Watch strap ended costing hundreds of dollars. At one point I needed a new leather band for mine and I bought a perfectly nice third party band for the same price as the sales tax on the equivalent Apple one.

I think part of the reason they sold insanely expensive Apple Watches is that they wanted to compete with luxury watches. Of course, the functionality is very different; the similarity is that both are methods of conspicuous consumption. I’m not an Apple Watch fan myself (still clutching my Pebble for dear life), but I can understand why the uber-expensive Apple Watches would appeal to a certain audience.

> I can understand why the uber-expensive Apple Watches would appeal to a certain audience.

I never could understand why Apple (or anyone else) this would be a possibility. Luxury watches are almost synonymous with heirloom; there is no way anyone will be wearing a functional Gold Apple watch in 2085 with the anecdote "This was my dad's watch" - it would be hopelessly outdated, and likely non-functional by then. This is not the case with other luxury watches. This has little to do with branding, but everything to do with expected longevity and utility.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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That bit about the firing of the designer who used the river metaphor in that email is such a good lesson for anyone: Never ever ever ever announce moves like this if there is still money on the table that can still be taken away from you. No matter how awesome your company is, how great the team, product or how wonderful the atmosphere is. This guy thought he wrote a heartfelt goodbye to his beloved team and was ins…

I read the book, and it says a few things that contradict other stories I’ve read about Apple, by people who were there. After a while I started taking things with a grain of salt.

Considering how awful the story is, I think it’s likely that there was more to the guy who got fired than the book let on. They were worried about an exodus so they treated a guy like shit? And why did he announce his departure before his benefits were locked in? The whole story is sus.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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That bit about the firing of the designer who used the river metaphor in that email is such a good lesson for anyone: Never ever ever ever announce moves like this if there is still money on the table that can still be taken away from you. No matter how awesome your company is, how great the team, product or how wonderful the atmosphere is. This guy thought he wrote a heartfelt goodbye to his beloved team and was ins…

> That made me lose a whole lot of respect for Ive.

I dunno... It sounds like they let him rest and vest for a few months as a courtesy even though he was already checked out.

And then, during that time, he sent an email to the entire team that implied (either intentionally or through carelessness) that Apple's river of ideas had run dry.

It seems pretty reasonable to ask him to leave immediately after doing that.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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I really loved the design of the Touch Bar/Butterfly keyboard visually. It would have been great if: - They kept the butterfly but completely solved the failure problem. - Supported Touch Bar with actual haptic feedback that could really be used "professionally" as in a Pro device. It could at best become a gimmick, but if played right, had great potential. - Had a simplified thin chassis with less ports. I really do…

> I really don't wanna pay for an HDMI port, SD reader, and a headphone jack tha

You don't want to pay for $20 worth of components? Like what another comment stated, you're getting components that have been tested by Apple and will have documented specifications.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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I also don’t quite get it. Firing that designer would not increase my trust in the design leadership. It would seem thin skinned, skittish, cruel, deeply immoral and evil, leading me to lose a lot of trust, feeling as though creating a culture of fear is the goal. That behavior seems completely incomprehensible to me, especially since you need to have an extremely tortured reading of that e-mail to read it as an atta…

Artists are a petty and vindictive culture, since value is subjective and there's no profit for being pretty good but not the annointed winner.

All the designers I know are awesome at being open and responding to outside inputs.

I work as a user researcher and in general designers tend to be the very best, both at showing a real interest and investing themselves into the research and also at incorporating the results.

Designers tend to have a real interest in improving their designs and getting clarity on things they themselves may be uncertain about.

However, I’m not working in the context those people talked about there work in. (Also, UI design, not hardware design. So not very comparable.)

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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I must be dreaming then, using my M1 Mac with two external 4K displays and the internal display.

Is it a 13” MBP? If not it’s not relevant to this discussion

Except all the parent comments of the discussion just said "Pro" and/or "M1 Mac", yours is the first that specified 13" MBP. So there seems to be some confusion and/or disagreement about what is being discussed.
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