After reading that, Ive is a piece of shit. That guy went out of His way to be cool. Instead of clarifying the misunderstanding, they just nuked him from orbit.
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The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team
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Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree. Jon Ive was a genius with design when he had to work under constrained scenarios. But the moment he had unconstrained power, form was able to win over functionality.
Jonathan Ive got rich and started designing luxury products for himself. Stuff like gold Apple Watches that were soon obsolete or ridiculous luxury bands for them. Even a regular leather Apple Watch strap ended costing hundreds of dollars. At one point I needed a new leather band for mine and I bought a perfectly nice third party band for the same price as the sales tax on the equivalent Apple one.
I think part of the reason they sold insanely expensive Apple Watches is that they wanted to compete with luxury watches. Of course, the functionality is very different; the similarity is that both are methods of conspicuous consumption.
I’m not an Apple Watch fan myself (still clutching my Pebble for dear life), but I can understand why the uber-expensive Apple Watches would appeal to a certain audience.
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#93At work, the new MacBooks with HDMI are trickling in and I've never seen so much excitement around a laptop. People (mostly Product people) just giddy they don't need a dongle to connect to screens. I didn't realize how much people hate dongles.
The old laptops had mini display port - you didn’t need a dongle to connect to a screen.
Because every TV in every space in your office has a mini display port cable hanging out of it for you to plug into?
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#94The list of trackers on that website is the largest Ive ever seen
Hmm, I think top 10 US banks easily beat those.
Banks obviously have a lot of financial data at their disposal to use how they see fit. But out of curiosity I checked my bank website which falls under this category and there were only 2-3 trackers picked up by my browser and extensions.
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What do you mean by that? Multiple monitors without an adapter? I have 2017 and 2019 Macbook Pro's and I use 2 27" monitors with a thunderbolt -> 2 HDMI out adapter. I don't think I'd use it without an adapter even if I could, no need to take up extra ports.
AFAUI that setup is not possible with an M1 Mac today. You can only use one external display.
That is true only of the 13" m1 Pro, and the 13" m1 macbook air. The 14" m1 mbp, 16" m1 mbp, the m1 mac mini, and m1 studio all support more than 1 external display.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
The old laptops had mini display port - you didn’t need a dongle to connect to a screen.
Because every TV in every space in your office has a mini display port cable hanging out of it for you to plug into?
We use WiFi to stream the signal, which is far more convenient. But yeah, all the monitors have display port as well if you want to plug in.
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#97I respect Ive's design skills but I think that Ive leaving is one of the best things to happen to Apple in decades. They're slowly going from Ive's minimalist artistic designs back to useful computing devices and user interfaces.
One thing I wonder about is whether Apple could have ever built the current crop of laptops if it hadn't gone through the terrible design that over-emphasized minification. That is, were there gains in space-saving that were only possible because of the single-minded focus on making small laptops, which we now enjoy in our more-sensibly sized MBPs?
As an outsider, I have no idea whether this is the case. But I could imaging that if they had stayed on a more evolutionary design path, their current laptops might not be quite so amazing.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They're slowly going from Ive's minimalist artistic designs back to useful computing devices and user interfaces. Is this a subtle attack on USB-C?
Nothing "subtle" about the attack. The butterfly keyboard is a very obvious and outright failure. This failure resulted in a support program that covered the entire output of the Apple MacBook Pro product line for half a decade. Nothing subtle about that at all.
I wonder if we're being too quick to blame him for the Butterfly keyboard. Sure it was his design, but there were engineering issue. Was Ive powerful enough to overrule Tim Cook and everyone else and keep a faulty keyboard for that long? So far I've only seen a lot of speculation from tech websites, but maybe someone has some proper source, I might be totally wrong.
It could also be a widespread cultural issue where Apple is unable to admit fault. Sure, Apple removed the butterfly after he left, but they're still quite stubborn about not putting USB-C on iPhones, for example.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
The MacBook Pro can support several external displays simultaneously: Up to two external displays with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors (M1 Pro) or up to three external displays with up to 6K resolution and one external display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors (M1 Max)
The old-chassis pros (incl. the new m2 13") can only do one monitor, if I remember correctly?
I think you remember right, this is the same issue as with the M1. The continued existence of this specific model (M2 13“ Pro) is by far the most confusing aspect of the current Mac lineup
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I also don’t quite get it. Firing that designer would not increase my trust in the design leadership. It would seem thin skinned, skittish, cruel, deeply immoral and evil, leading me to lose a lot of trust, feeling as though creating a culture of fear is the goal. That behavior seems completely incomprehensible to me, especially since you need to have an extremely tortured reading of that e-mail to read it as an atta…
Artists are a petty and vindictive culture, since value is subjective and there's no profit for being pretty good but not the annointed winner.
Genuine question, do you know any artists? This isn't the case generally; certainly amongst ordinary working visual artists - who are demonstrably open minded, centred, and interpersonally engaged. I can't speak to Damien Hirst level centimillionaires, who represent an invisibly small fraction of working artists.