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Re: OpenAI

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Naive question: Isn't the easiest way to prevent an general purpose AI from taking over the world to not make a general purpose AI?

Unfortunately that just means you don’t create one. To prevent one being created, you have to either somehow figure out a way to get everyone in the world to agree not to create one, or obtain enough global power that you can forcibly stop anyone creating one. Not exactly easy!

Re: OpenAI

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post #78

Naive question: Isn't the easiest way to prevent an general purpose AI from taking over the world to not make a general purpose AI?

reminds me of a very frightening quote from security specialist Gavin de Becker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_de_Becker), paraphrased: "every evil that you can think of, someone will have done it"

Re: OpenAI

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post #69
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure the self driving vehicles get the speed data from a dataset and not from signs.

then it's not really (self)driving.

It’s (not) self-driving in the same way planes do (not) fly. Just because something doesn’t do things the way we (or our or a bird) does doesn’t mean it doesn’t achieve its goal.

Re: OpenAI

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post #81
post #78

Naive question: Isn't the easiest way to prevent an general purpose AI from taking over the world to not make a general purpose AI?

Unfortunately that just means you don’t create one. To prevent one being created, you have to either somehow figure out a way to get everyone in the world to agree not to create one, or obtain enough global power that you can forcibly stop anyone creating one. Not exactly easy!

A powerful AI could help with that! >.>

Re: OpenAI

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post #78

Naive question: Isn't the easiest way to prevent an general purpose AI from taking over the world to not make a general purpose AI?

The assumption many in the field make is that _someone_ is going to create General Purpose AI, and we'd rather it be people who want it to be 'good' (aka 'aligned').

Best case, that AI can prevent the creation of harmful AI, though that's glossing over a lot of details that I'm not qualified to describe.

Re: OpenAI

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"When you start reading about AI safety, it’s striking how there are two separate communities—the one mostly worried about machine learning perpetuating racial and gender biases, and the one mostly worried about superhuman AI turning the planet into goo" - great quote.

What worries me more are bad people doing bad things with AI, malicious use of AI, or just AI negligence. Deep fakes. Algorithmic decision making taking the human out of the loop (such as bad content moderation and automated account shutdown). Lack of disclosure. Lack of consent. Autonomous systems with poor failure modes.

It's not that I'm not concerned with bias and AI systems going haywire, but the above scenarios seem to get less attention from researchers, probably because their employers might be perpetuating many of these above issues of AI safety.

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post #7

Seeing someone as trustworthy as Scott choose to work on AI safety is a pretty good sign for the state of the field IMO. It seems like a lot of studious people agree AI alignment is important but then end up shoehorning the problem into whatever framework they are most expert in. When all you have is a hammer etc... I feel like he has good enough taste to avoid this pitfall. Semi-related - I'd want to see some actual…

If they could produce an AGI as smart as, let's say a mouse, that would be good evidence that they're on the right track. So far nothing is even close to that level. Depending on how you measure, they're not even really at the flatworm level yet. All the AI technology produced so far has been domain specific and doesn't represent meaningful progress towards true generalized intelligence.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Maybe... Short sighted vs. far sighted vs. ignorance is bliss?

It's a secular/religious divide. (As it says in the post.) Though it's possible the people who think a theoretical future AI will turn the planet into paperclips have merely forgotten that perpetual motion machines aren't possible.

There is nothing religious with thinking about whether failure modes of advanced artificial intelligence can permanently destroy large parts of the reality that humans care about. Just like there was nothing religious in thinking about whether the first atomic bombs could start a chain reaction that would destroy all life on Earth.

Part of such precautionary planning involves asking whether such an accident could happen easily or not. There certainly isn't consensus at the moment, but the philosophy very clearly favors a cautious approach.

Most people are used to thinking about established science that follows expected rules, or incremental advances that have no serious practical consequences. But this isn't that. There is good reason to think that we're approaching a step-change in capabilities to shape the world, and even a strong suspicion of this warrants taking serious defensive measures. Crucially for this particular instance of the discussion, OP is favoring that.

There will necessarily be a broad spectrum of opinions regarding how to handle this, both in the central judgement and how palatably the opinion itself is presented. Using a dismissive moniker like 'religious' for a whole segment of it doesn't give justice to the arguments.

Present a counterargument if you feel strongly about it, and see whether that will stand on its own merit.

Re: OpenAI

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are conflating different concepts. It is clearly imaginable that a very intelligent agent could end humanity if its objective would require so. How exactly is "perpetual motion machines can't exist" related to this? How is it going to prevent an agent from engineering 1000 pandemic viruses at the same time?

> It is clearly imaginable that a very intelligent agent could end humanity if its objective would require so. This is quite possible. Indeed, I don't believe this is exclusive to superintelligence or requires it at all. Compare to the closest thing we have to "inventing AGI" - having babies. People do that all the time and there isn't a mathematical guarantee that baby won't end humanity, but we don't do much to sto…

"Mainly, why would it want to [end humanity]?"

The anthropomorphism is misleading. No one expects that an AGI would "want to" in the commonplace sense of being motivated by animosity, fear, or desire. The problem is that the best path to satisying its reward function could have adverse-to-extinction level consequences for humanity, because alignment is hard, or maybe impossible.

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