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Re: OpenAI

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'OpenAI, of course, has the word “open” right in its name, ... don’t expect me to share any proprietary information' Yeah, Mr Aaronson just lost quite a bit of respect from my side. Going into AI is a great move, moving to the ClosedAI corporation.......? Why? (Edit: Removed an outdated reference to Elon Musk, thanks @pilaf !)

Elon Musk left the board of OpenAI in 2018.

Much thanks, didn't know that, edited my comment.

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Lots of really cogent points. Hopefully he reads this comment and swiftly begins working on designing a Diplomatic Agent to avoid the MAD or getting a good peace treaty

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> It is clearly imaginable that a very intelligent agent could end humanity if its objective would require so. This is quite possible. Indeed, I don't believe this is exclusive to superintelligence or requires it at all. Compare to the closest thing we have to "inventing AGI" - having babies. People do that all the time and there isn't a mathematical guarantee that baby won't end humanity, but we don't do much to sto…

You seemingly are portraying people who worry about long term risks of ai as members of a religious cult. But you also acknowledge that AI could end humanity? The question of why AI would want to kill us has been addressed by other people before, simplified: your atoms are useful for many objectives. Humans use resources and might plot against you.

> You seemingly are portraying people who worry about long term risks of ai as members of a religious cult.

Strictly speaking, we can limit that to people who rearrange their lives around reacting to the possibility, even in sillier (yet not disprovable) forms like Roko's Basilisk.

People who believe having a lot of "intelligence" means you can actually do anything you intend to do, no matter what that thing is, also get close to it because they both involve creating a perfect being in their minds. But that's possible for anyone - I guess it comes from assuming that since an AGI would be a computer + a human, it gets all the traits of humans (intelligence and motivation) plus computer programs (predictable execution, lack of emotions or boredom). It doesn't seem like that follows though - boredom might be needed for online learning, which is needed to be an independent agent, and might limit them to human-level executive function.

The chance of dumb civilization-ending mistakes like nuclear war seems higher than smart civilization-ending mistakes like gray goo, and can't be defended against, so as a research direction I suggest finding a way to restore humans from backup. (https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2000)

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Self-reproducing machines are capable of covering the surface of the planet, yes. There's one right now (covid). But there's lots of energy and oxygen up here and they rarely displace other such machines (species) or even displace much of any earth and water. And because they're self-contained and self-reproducing, all of their instructions can be lost over time to entropy including the ones we're afraid of. None of…

> a paperclip factory isn't self-reproducing (that would be a paperclip factory factory) This seems an odd refutation for several reasons. First, the paperclip AI might determine that self-reproducing factories would be an optimisation, and aim to achieve that by any means necessary. Second, a single paperclip factory that doesn't reproduce might still develop the means of bringing raw materials to it. Either way, an…

Agreed, and being a bit of a religiophobe, the thought of living through some sort of butlerian jihad scares me enough, regardless of whether the machines can actually kill us all.

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Agreed. Maybe... Short sighted vs. far sighted vs. ignorance is bliss?

Or practical vs. philosophical.

Deciding which camp is practical and which is religious is left as an exercise to the reader.

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"When you start reading about AI safety, it’s striking how there are two separate communities—the one mostly worried about machine learning perpetuating racial and gender biases, and the one mostly worried about superhuman AI turning the planet into goo" - great quote.

There's also the crowed that worries about self-driving cars doing stupid shit like misreading a 20 km/h sign as an 120 km/h.

Pretty sure the self driving vehicles get the speed data from a dataset and not from signs.

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There's also the crowed that worries about self-driving cars doing stupid shit like misreading a 20 km/h sign as an 120 km/h.

Pretty sure the self driving vehicles get the speed data from a dataset and not from signs.

who maintains that worldwide dataset?

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There's also the crowed that worries about self-driving cars doing stupid shit like misreading a 20 km/h sign as an 120 km/h.

Pretty sure the self driving vehicles get the speed data from a dataset and not from signs.

then it's not really (self)driving.

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"[...] where the misuse of AI for spambots, surveillance, propaganda, and other nefarious purposes is already a major societal concern [...]" I'm curious what he will do and whether for example he approves of the code laundering CoPilot tool. I also hope he'll resist being used as an academic promoter of such tools, explicitly or implicitly (there are many ways, his mere association with the company buys goodwill alr…

what's wrong with copilot as a concept and as the concrete implementation?

it's a fancy autocomple. we had stack overflow based autocomplete before. this got a bigger training data set.

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