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The silent majority of experts (2012)

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Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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That's not actually true. If you look at personality tests based on Big 5/Neo-Pi, which are the most accepted in psychology, scores on conscientiousness and the underlying factors like "order" can be completely opposite to the parents

>can be Yes, "can". Because we are not clones of our parents. It doesn't mean that conscientiousness hasn't something like 60-80%of hereditability.

Studies say 20-70% for different measures.

Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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>I find it much better and more interesting to speak truthfully (while not being an asshole!) But that’s just it, the truth will always be offensive to someone. You’ll always be the asshole to “someone”. If we structure discourse around never being perceived as an asshole by anyone we effectively yield the zeitgeist to whoever is the biggest crybaby. It’s not just this site, this line of thinking has infected most we…

I don't think that's what he means. Clearly sometimes you just upset people, however you can be careful to minimize it.

If you matter at all you’re going to offend more people than you even know exist.

The entire metric is flawed and useless.

Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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Eh, it's a bit culturally dependent. My native culture prizes gender equality and self-reliance; has washer-dryers in every home; and doesn't care about wrinkled clothes. If a grown man from my culture needed help with his laundry, it's probably because his life's a shambles - if you're struggling with depression or something, that ain't a good sign for your exam success. On the other hand, someone from a more patria…

These responses are getting quixotic. Nobodies 'native culture' prizes 'equality' to that extent, if you're from a culture we're all familiar with I'd fathom you're projecting pretty hard. In some places in the world, there are some 'modern ideals' around those types of things, but it's more 'ideology' than 'culture'. Students are not running around forlorn about not having their 'pressed khakis and dinner shirts nee…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it's different in your country, or things have changed since I was in college.

In my experience teenagers are eager to establish their own identity, independent of their parents - to the point of being embarrassed, at some ages, to even be seen with their parents. Until they're grown enough that their relationship is more like one of equals. Most people over the age of 17 would be embarrassed if someone said they were merely transitioning to adulthood.

Leaving home means doing your own cooking, cleaning and laundry, and paying your own bills - in exchange for freedoms like exploring your sexuality; experimenting with drink and drugs; and occasionally staying in bed until noon.

Granted, some students choose a school close to home and some even keep living with their parents - but it's far more common to choose a school 2+ hours away from home. Having a parent drive two four-hour round trips to collect and return some laundry, to save their child 15 minutes loading and unloading the laundry machine would be very unusual.

Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not actually true. If you look at personality tests based on Big 5/Neo-Pi, which are the most accepted in psychology, scores on conscientiousness and the underlying factors like "order" can be completely opposite to the parents

>can be Yes, "can". Because we are not clones of our parents. It doesn't mean that conscientiousness hasn't something like 60-80%of hereditability.

again, that's not true. It can be argued that it can't be proven beyong 50%, which means that it's a toss-up and parents with low conscientiousness have children with high scores. Also, this trait is not indicative to success, even if it correlates. Too high is also a negative, just as too low is.

Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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The data is conclusive on Single Parent vs. Two Parent and it's not even close. The 'moralizing' is from those who want to equivocate. This is also from deep life experience myself, with close family and colleagues. In everything but the best scenarios: 'Everything Is Hard' in a single family household, whereas things 'Can Be Hard' in regular family scenarios. I think a 'single mentor' can make a big difference, but…

> I will be[t] $1000 immediately that kid will do well without knowing a single other thing about that family or situation. I'd take the other side of that bet; in my experience, a parent who still feels the need to take on their adult child's domestic labor likely hasn't prepared them well for independence in other respects, such as managing their own education well enough to get good grades in university classes.

I second that. Major red flag. Exams can never be so bad as you can't do the laundry. I would have been insulted ... But maybe it's a cultural difference.

Re: The silent majority of experts (2012)

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>by being excited and interested in trying to get out of my circumstances. There are a lot of people who are "excited and interested" and never amount to anything because of the above mentioned "circumstances" that you were able to overcome, given a series of factors: natural predisposition, hard work, luck, gravity of the initial conditions and so on. Textbook survivorship bias.

Where does personal agency end and circumstances begin? A good work ethic isn't "luck". If someone has a good work ethic it's because the people in their life when they were growing up worked their butts off to give it to them. People don't escape poverty because of luck (look at lottery winner outcomes). They escape poverty after about three decades of hard work toward that goal, usually spread across multiple gener…

If being born to a wealthy family is "luck" then being born to a family who will work their butt off to give you a good start is also "luck".

> "Where does personal agency end and circumstances begin?"

If it's "I choose to work harder", it's personal agency. If it's "we're voting away support systems because I turned out OK and you should just work harder" it's not.

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