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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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res0nat0r wrote: post #820
riazrizvi wrote: post #264

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Worst thing? His influencing is central to his success. Unfortunately for civil discourse, it’s more effective to create controversial messaging that resonates with your followers, than sanitized messaging that is generally inoffensive. Controversial messaging makes your supporters increasingly loyal and attentive, as the noise from vocal ‘haters’ just keeps feeding your base. It’s perverse, it’s toxic, it’s exhausti…

Eh, Warren Buffett has been doing just fine for decades now and I don't believe has ever done any shitposting on Twitter.

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evan_ wrote: post #682
fullshark wrote: post #634

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He’s the same old Elon, the pedo guy tweet and taking Tesla private at $420 are just as embarrassing if not more so , he’s just on the other side of the culture war divide now (I.e the Republican side) so he’s now considered shameful in many parts.

weird comment, many many people considered "pedo guy" and everything else to be shameful at the time

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Post by strathmeyer »

tim333 wrote: post #913
sergiomattei wrote: post #645

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How is this cancel culture?

“SpaceX must swiftly and explicitly separate itself from Elon’s personal brand,” sounds a bit like cancel Elon.

Usually canceling means getting someone fired, guess it's all projection from these people.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by strathmeyer »

jfdbcv wrote: post #559
SylvieLorxu wrote: post #215

Was this the "free speech" dude? Same dude as this? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk...

These aren't inconsistent. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences, if said consequences do not restrict future freedom of speech.

The consequence is we're allowed to talk about it and judge the man accordingly for being a hypocrite.

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Post by user_named »

bitexploder wrote: post #151
user_named wrote: post #124

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Wait six month, when the Tesla stock has crashed and he gets margin called. He's going to go nuts and have an epic fall from grace.

If I might be so bold, I don’t think anyone around here really appreciates Musk’s antics very much. However Tesla and SpaceX are fundamentally sound, if overvalued, businesses. Since the start of Tesla he has had loud and obnoxious detractors who have had any number of reasons Tesla is about to implode. Instead they keep churning out solid EVs and SpaceX keeps putting stuff in space. As much as I dislike him, I would…

I didn't say anything about the companies but the Tesla stock. It's going to crash when rates rise and capital flees risk.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by qaq »

AlexandrB wrote: post #796
qaq wrote: post #594

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So what car would you rather own ? Which car company has owners that align with your values?

I can't even name another car company CEO. Musk brought this kind of reaction on Tesla by closely associating Tesla's brand with his own personal brand. This cuts both ways though and what was once a net positive is starting to turn negative.

It might be turning negative or it might be the info bubble we are in.

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Post by rlt »

Etheryte wrote: post #823
uncomputation wrote: post #810

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It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

Freedom of speech does not mean being free of consequences. Much like you're free to offend, the other side is free to be offended and employment goes both ways. Firing someone because they fundamentally disagree on how the company should be run is not censorship, it's keeping only people who align with the direction you're headed.

> Freedom of speech does not mean being free of consequences

I understand the point, but I hate this saying. After all, what more is the government throwing you in jail for speech than a “consequence”?

The spirit of “free speech” does not give you a free pass to impose draconian “consequences” in response to speech you don’t like.

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

uncomputation wrote: post #810
axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

Free speech doesn't entail an obligation to subsidize people attacking you or your company. Trying to get people employed by other companies fired would be a problem, but firing your own employees for acting against your interests is completely reasonable.

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AlchemistCamp wrote: post #929
uncomputation wrote: post #810

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It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

Free speech doesn't entail an obligation to subsidize people attacking you or your company. Trying to get people employed by other companies fired would be a problem, but firing your own employees for acting against your interests is completely reasonable.

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