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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by justbored123 »

cptaj wrote: post #837
uncomputation wrote: post #810

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It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

This is the crux of the matter right here. I hate that people are doing all these weird gymnastics to reconcile being a champion of free speech and firing people that criticize you. Yeah, guys, it might be legal (maybe not) but it IS hypocritical. If you want to champion free speech you can't do this shit. Stop with the debate team bullshit and exercise some common sense.

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by meatsauce »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #671
unboxingelf wrote: post #304

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Well put. His accomplishments are long and impressive but it seems social media has distracted, if not corrupted his line of sight.

> it seems social media has distracted, if not corrupted his line of sight Social media is the effect, not cause, of his bad behavior. He was known to be an impulsive bully long before he ranted on Twitter.

He's a hard boss for sure. That's why he is successful. He doesn't take your shit and pushes you to do your job at its maximum potential. Of course, you don't need to work there, McDonalds' is always hiring and I hear they will be nice to you.

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Post by dubswithus »

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At first I thought this was a joke but looking at parent posting history, there is nothing to indicate one way or the other. Gross.

Why would it be a joke? Firing employees plotting against the company and other coworkers seems prudent.

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Post by Sebguer »

res0nat0r wrote: post #820
riazrizvi wrote: post #264

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Worst thing? His influencing is central to his success. Unfortunately for civil discourse, it’s more effective to create controversial messaging that resonates with your followers, than sanitized messaging that is generally inoffensive. Controversial messaging makes your supporters increasingly loyal and attentive, as the noise from vocal ‘haters’ just keeps feeding your base. It’s perverse, it’s toxic, it’s exhausti…

Eh, Warren Buffett has been doing just fine for decades now and I don't believe has ever done any shitposting on Twitter.

Where did OP say this was the only path to success? Warren Buffett took the more traditional one of just being related to influential and powerful people.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by aaronsimpson »

The amount of Elon charity in this comment section is kind of insane:

> In an email, Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s president, said the letter had made other employees “feel uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied.”

It's literally the same thing wokescolds do when somebody says anything they disagree with, only this time it's SpaceX and Elon Musk. There's not really any good argument for somebody who claims to care about free speech.

"It's a private company. They can fire whoever they want so long as it's not a protected class." And Twitter is a private company that can ban anybody they want. Don't like it? Go to Mastodon. Usually this argument doesn't fly for the people that defend his Twitter free speech position.

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Post by EthanHeilman »

meatsauce wrote: post #831
uncomputation wrote: post #810

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

This is pure nonsense. Neither Musk or his company owes you a job, and you certainly shouldn't work at his company if you disagree with his vison or politics. Shedding the woke weight has to feel good, for both Musk and for other employees, who no doubt had to endure constant whining.

My question is if this is the best approach. The dissenters may care deeply about the company and they be saying publicly what many others are feeling privately at SpaceX. Would engagement in this setting reap better rewards?

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Post by kareemsabri »

uncomputation wrote: post #810
axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.

I read Musk's "free speech absolutism" to mean that on platforms dedicated to speech (Twitter etc.) one shouldn't be censored / banned.

I'm unclear how that means I should be able to say whatever I want at my job and still keep the job. For example, if I work at Tesla and say I think electric cars are stupid and the ICE are superior, I would imagine I would be fired. I don't think that's a free speech violation, but rather that my opinion is in conflict with the goals of the company.

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