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Would your CEO behave like Musk and expect zero consequences and zero push-back from the the board, the public, and the employees?
If it bothered me that much I'd look for a different job.
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> giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. > I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV. YMMV indeed, because every conservative I talk to is seeing him as a hero who is finally speaking truth to power, and calling B.S. on the establishment (political, corporate HR, academic) narratives that have been running through the culture. They aren’t sick of him at a…
Yes, he's chosen his politics to pitch to that crowd. That's why we're so sick of it, it's the same grift you can get from youtubers and talk radio stations.
It’s a big crowd, and getting bigger.
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> There are a lot of people who have seen the left in the US go off the deep end As crazy as the left in the U.S. might be, it's genuinely hard to beat the craziness of e.g. suggesting that injecting bleach is a legitimate COVID-19 treatment, or shameful pandering to anti-masks, anti-vaccination sentiment.
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Wasn't it an internal letter that was leaked? I mean sure, being leaked is a predictable consequence, but it may be a distinction with a difference if the criticizers didn't themselves leak it. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this plays out. If I were one of those employees, I'd be talking to a lawyer. If I was one of the employees still working at SpaceX, I'd be talking about a union. We recently unionize…
Getting fired for insubordination isn't a protected class. The former employees don't have a case.
some countries have decent labour laws that won't crucify you for disagreeing with your employer
>The letter asked SpaceX management to publicly separate the company from Mr. Musk’s personal brand. This is not realistic. It will not happen. Elon Musk is the founder, chairman, CEO and CTO. He owns 47% of the company and 78% of voting control. A company you work for is not a democracy. You are not an owner. You don't get to call out, to make governance decisions, to create pressure campaigns, etc. This is doubly t…
> This is not realistic. It will not happen. Elon Musk is the founder, chairman, CEO and CTO. He owns 47% of the company and 78% of voting control. You do realize this was true of most blue chips at some point in history right? Know who those people and their cults are now? No? Right, nobody does.
I also don't know who the unhappy underling people in those companies were. Nobody does, and nobody did at the time either (that's the difference).
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Surprised? No. There's no large company in the world where attacking top management won't lead to major consequences. Of course, SpaceX (and Google, along with a stack of other "tech" companies) wasn't supposed to be just another large company; they wanted to disrupt things, and wanted fanatical buy-in from their employees, customers, and fans. (Corporate fans? Really?) It'll take a while, because religions don't die…
Yeah, populism is quite a constant throughout history. People love having a savior and a hero, as demagogue as they might be. I find it interesting how this populism takes shape in the tech industry. It manifests as companies pretending to be all about mission, community, changing the world, billionaires pretending to be pro-freedom, capitalists pretending to be anti-establishment...
"Turning rebellion into money", as Joe Strummer sang.
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Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.
Being a free speech absolutist has nothing to do with consequences from invoking your free speech. Everyone wanting free speech despite what type of speech that they legally allow is the price we pay to have it. Invoking it and using ignorant, racist or hatefull language doesn't mean you won't pay a social price for it. It just means we won't throw you in jail using the state for it. But you may just lose your jobs.…
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Wasn't it an internal letter that was leaked? I mean sure, being leaked is a predictable consequence, but it may be a distinction with a difference if the criticizers didn't themselves leak it. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this plays out. If I were one of those employees, I'd be talking to a lawyer. If I was one of the employees still working at SpaceX, I'd be talking about a union. We recently unionize…
Getting fired for insubordination isn't a protected class. The former employees don't have a case.
This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…
Which is what they did.
All indications point to Tesla and SpaceX not being very open to 'change' initiatives that are employee-initiated.
Good job firing the employees that actually try to give a damn. The yes people are quiet and will stay. That's how you kill a company, slowly.
This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…
Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.