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Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by soperj »

t34egr wrote: post #37
jjcon wrote: post #15

Love that someone in tech is finally getting unions in tech, don't love that it was kickstarter though. Their corporate culture is very toxic and I don't see them sticking around long term. It might be just me but my impression of kickstarter is that they are some of the worst offenders of 'maximum virtue signaling, minimum virtue'. That makes me inherently skeptical of a move like this.

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Based on your comments in this thread alone, I don't think this is the site for you.

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by Kharvok »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #2

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing…

Why would you be happy with a 3% raise any year in tech?

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by 71a54xd »

t34egr wrote: post #28

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I wouldn't call it socialism, I'd call it entitlement and a misplaced notion of digital agency.

They've been raised by iPads and for reasons we'll soon discover have a disproportionate amount of trust in various "platforms" like TikTok etc.

Adults realize platforms in all forms are a farce and feign agency to attract more users. Some people do leverage things like TikTok to market services and see value add - the issue is when children with half-baked ideas of how society work equate this value add to all matter of things. Including degenerate behavior. The ball keeps rolling from here...

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by no_butterscotch »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #2

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing…

> Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans.

What does "progressive disciplining" mean? I like the idea of criteria for being pipped, though I wonder if Kickstarter had a pip culture like Amazon.

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by bestcoder69 »

Kharvok wrote: post #42
bestcoder69 wrote: post #2

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing…

Why would you be happy with a 3% raise any year in tech?

> Minimum means the least you can do of something. For example, if the minimum amount of dollars you must pay for something is seven, then you cannot pay six dollars or less (you must pay at least seven). You can do more than the minimum, but no less. [0]

[0]: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_and_minimum

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by pastor_bob »

FrancoisBosun wrote: post #36
0des wrote: post #8

Is it mandatory for employees to join the union?

In Canada, it is not. If you don’t join the union, you may still benefit from the union’s bargaining power so you will pay some dues to the union. I would presume this varies per region.

It depends.

In many industries it's a requirement of the bargaining agreement. But many states have passed 'right to work' laws which state you can't be forced.

And still, I know of positions where there are 'union' and 'non-union' people basically doing the same job at companies. Non-union usually comes with a pay bump to offset not having the union benefits.

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by giantg2 »

71a54xd wrote: post #17

Big no thanks to this. If you hate where you work this much, improve yourself and work somewhere else. Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. If you're three years into a career in tech (technical or not) and you haven't figured out that being PIP'd or indirectly told you're fucking up - making this language "nicer" isn't going to help anyone. A…

There are also those who simply want their company to honor it's word. The only reason I support unions in tech is that I'm tired of my company violating their own policies to screw over specific individuals (including me).

I would switch if I thought other places wouldn't lie. But it seems to me that all companies do.

You wouldn't buy a house or a new car without a contract. It seems stupid to me to enter a job without a real contract (as opposed the the ones we see now that are basically "we the company make the rules and can change them with or without notice anytime").

Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by [deleted] »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #2

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing…

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Re: Kickstarter Union voted 97.6% to ratify one of the first tech union contracts

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Post by steveklabnik »

Kharvok wrote: post #42
bestcoder69 wrote: post #2

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing…

Why would you be happy with a 3% raise any year in tech?

"Guaranteed minimum 3% CoL raise per year" does not mean "you only get a 3% raise per year." It is a minimum of one kind of raise, and this doesn't mean that there are no other forms of raises, or that the CoL raise wouldn't be more at times.

(reading solely from this wording, I don't work at Kickstarter and so don't know the details of the contract other than what's published above.)

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