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At first I thought this was a joke but looking at parent posting history, there is nothing to indicate one way or the other. Gross.
SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#722One of the demands from the letter: > Define and uniformly respond to all forms of unacceptable behavior. Clearly define what exactly is intended by SpaceX’s “no-asshole” and “zero tolerance” policies and enforce them consistently. That's exactly the problem with companies that like to brag about their "we-don't-allow-jerks-here" culture: It's arbitrary. If you focus on creating a culture of objectivity, facts and ho…
It doesn't help that the CEO on Twitter has multiple times presented the exact behavior mentioned.
One man's jerk is another man's shitposter.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#723Earlier quoted context omitted.
The SpaceX President claims that the fired employees repeatedly spammed a large number of employees during paid time[1]. > "Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters > and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable." I appreciate their spirit, because I think Elon is being juvenile and distracting, but this seems cut-and-…
Why are you taking their claims at face value?
It's not about "taking their claims at face value", it's highlighting those claims because that's the one thing that might actually make this firing stick. If the claims are accurate, the employees can't claim that the letter was "protected activity" relating to workplace conditions.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#724If you come for the king, you had better not miss.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#725Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults. Here's an experiment. At your place of work, circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong. Mak…
> The rest of us who live in the real world understand that hierarchy doesn't exist arbitrarily and we're not entitled to have someone pay us while we're spitting in their face. And someone isn't entitled to spit in your face just because they pay you. Respect for people should go both ways, and the view that just because someone is rich, above you in the ladder, you should just shut up and take it, isn't a good one…
Flip it over: if you worked for Apple and wrote and circulated an open letter criticizing Tim Cook's advocacy of LGBTQ rights, what would happen?
I bet you'd be fired.
I said the same thing by the way about the guy who got fired from Google for circulating a misogynistic rant about female engineers. That was also stupid and unprofessional at the very least.
Politics at work can be generally problematic. Political rants at work that criticize leadership or coworkers or are broadly offensive are probably going to get you fired.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#726Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults. Here's an experiment. At your place of work, circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong. Mak…
Would you apply the same logic to your leaders drowning the company stock and killing the public image ? What should the appropriate response be ?
SpaceX isn't a public company.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#727To those arguing that this letter is tantamount to insubordination and is therefore a fireable offense: “Insubordination (noun)- refusing to obey orders from someone in authority.” [1] Unless they had received direct orders not to criticize Musk at all, internally or externally, they are not guilty of refusing to obey orders. And if they had received such orders, that only adds to Musk’s burgeoning reputation for pet…
> The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults. Here's an experiment. At your place of work, circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong. Mak…
circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong.
It didnt say Elon was "all wrong"... it criticized 1 or 2 things. For all we know they agree with the other 99%.
This is a common in these responses defending Elon. They take the letter, turn it into something much much worse.. and then say: dont they deserve to be fired?
The version of the letter youre describing does not exist.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#728To those arguing that this letter is tantamount to insubordination and is therefore a fireable offense: “Insubordination (noun)- refusing to obey orders from someone in authority.” [1] Unless they had received direct orders not to criticize Musk at all, internally or externally, they are not guilty of refusing to obey orders. And if they had received such orders, that only adds to Musk’s burgeoning reputation for pet…
> The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults. Here's an experiment. At your place of work, circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong. Mak…
> hierarchy doesn't exist arbitrarily
Yes, it does.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#729Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.
On the contrary, I think Musks use of interviews and twitter has only helped him and his companies every step of the way. If you have been following him you have seen that he recently announced that he would be voting republican for the first time ever due to the change in the party stances of democrats and to expect backlash from announcing so. It funny that we are seeing exactly that backlash. Not two weeks ago peo…
BS. There’s a been a long history of criticizing Musk. His political stance is nothing new.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#730To those arguing that this letter is tantamount to insubordination and is therefore a fireable offense: “Insubordination (noun)- refusing to obey orders from someone in authority.” [1] Unless they had received direct orders not to criticize Musk at all, internally or externally, they are not guilty of refusing to obey orders. And if they had received such orders, that only adds to Musk’s burgeoning reputation for pet…
> The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults. Here's an experiment. At your place of work, circulate a document criticizing leadership and how they're all wrong. Mak…
Do internal survey results and their "anonymous" verbatim count?
I have seen plenty of examples of scathing verbatim against leaders at several different companies. Not to mention poor and declining scores on questions like "I trust my leadership blah blah" year after year on internal employee surveys. Were those people fired, no!