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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by masswerk »

rossdavidh wrote: post #337

I'm picturing Apple employees writing an open letter criticizing Steve Jobs and saying they don't want him to be the face of the company, or Amazon employees saying they don't want Jeff Bezos to be the image of the company, or GE employees saying they don't want Jack Welch to be tarnishing the brand of the company, or...just about any other big corporation. The CEO's job involves, among other things, being the public…

> If you're not on the board of directors, the way you register displeasure with your CEO is to leave the company.

Or you write a letter to the board, those responsible for the situation.

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Post by wmeredith »

j_walter wrote: post #453

Based on what management said it wasn't necessarily what was in the letter, but the behavior surrounding the formation of the letter and soliciting people to sign it. Basically they were fired for using company resources for personal use and intimidation of their peers.

> using company resources for personal use and intimidation of their peers

That sounds like their CEO.

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Post by mindslight »

psyc wrote: post #459
JaimeThompson wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they actually believed his statements regarding unlimited free speech. It's not backed by evidence but SpaceX does attract dreamers.

The other thread is full of this nonsense. You give the impression that you believe that free speech absolutists think you ought to be allowed to walk up to your CEO and tell him to go fuck himself, without retaliation. What other things would you have us believe that free speech absolutists would allow? Catcalling coworkers, perhaps? Threatening to murder someone's children? No, you just want to snipe at Musk, and y…

One can reasonably take positions such as "you can tell me to go fuck myself, and I'll appreciate if you articulate why" and "I don't mind being catcalled". I would expect someone describing themselves as a "free speech absolutist" to take such positions.

(Leaving aside your tangent of trying to make those decisions for others)

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by karaterobot »

The contents of the letter quoted in that article are all moral allegations, but not new ones, and not presenting novel evidence of any wrongdoing. Whatever Musk has done, or whatever kind of person he is, it's all well understood and settled from a business perspective. Despite his antics, Musk hasn't gotten fired — far from it — and won't get fired for old news. So, their letter (at least what's quoted in that article) amounts to: "yes, but the CEO's behavior is not to our liking, somebody should do something about it." What would possess someone to believe that would work? It feels like the kind of thing that, ironically, might work on Twitter, but not in the real world.

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Post by mywittyname »

psyc wrote: post #459
JaimeThompson wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they actually believed his statements regarding unlimited free speech. It's not backed by evidence but SpaceX does attract dreamers.

The other thread is full of this nonsense. You give the impression that you believe that free speech absolutists think you ought to be allowed to walk up to your CEO and tell him to go fuck himself, without retaliation. What other things would you have us believe that free speech absolutists would allow? Catcalling coworkers, perhaps? Threatening to murder someone's children? No, you just want to snipe at Musk, and y…

Of course. People like to point out the man's hypocrisy. He claims to feel that people shouldn't be punished for the things they say, but has a long history of punishing people for the things they say.

He makes it so easy, and everyone can tell by his personality that it grates on him.

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Post by new_stranger »

jfengel wrote: post #500

I've owned TSLA stock for over a decade, and I believe in the company, but I find Musk increasingly distasteful. If I had sold the last time it was over $1,000... of course that's the silly wishful thinking we all do in a contraction/correction, but goddamn, I want him out of my life. I've already sold some of it, just to assuage my conscience a little (as well as lock in some of my profits). The next good opportunit…

Maybe I've read to much history, or maybe I just need to pay more attention to Musk, but I'm pretty sure he isn't anywhere close to the category of "Terrible Human Being" I have in mind - even for the West.

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Post by mint2 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #477
mint2 wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s teetering on the edge of being Howard Hughes 2.0

lol - no he is not. Howard Hughes was mentally ill, didnt leave his house or shower (was a germaphobe), was super secretive (didnt meet people in person for years), never built anything important (although had a shitload of failures, like the wooden airplane) and inherited a lot of his initial money and revenue streams. Musk is none of those things.

Musk tweets accuses random people of being pedophiles on Twitter and is legally not supposed to tweet anymore about certain topics without getting prior approval. He also exhibits paranoia and often a lack of being grounded in reality.

I didn’t say he is Howard 2.0 Hugh’s, I said he’s teetering on the edge of it. If in a few years he goes full Hughes would anyone actually be surprised?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by smaryjerry »

chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

On the contrary, I think Musks use of interviews and twitter has only helped him and his companies every step of the way. If you have been following him you have seen that he recently announced that he would be voting republican for the first time ever due to the change in the party stances of democrats and to expect backlash from announcing so. It funny that we are seeing exactly that backlash. Not two weeks ago people were also complaining that Musk wanted to reduce the work force by 10 % and have people work from the office, although those may have been separate things, I believe the 10% reduction was a leaked e-mail. The backlash there also seemed unusual, and I only attribute it to his political stance, as his company has lost around 50% of its value on the stock market, along with most of the other tech related stocks and it was almost as if he correctly predicted the further decline of the market in general we have seen lately. His responses to that seemed incredibly reasonable, a reduction in workforce and costs and measure to improve productivity. And yet as I said the response was not well taken in the media or online, it seems in my opinion to have started once people were made aware of his political stance. A stance which he says has always been consistent whether voting democrat or republican, it’s just that the parties have shifted in certain ideologies a I think we can all remember when democrats were the free speech party and now that opposite appears to be true.
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