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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by reaperducer »

snarf21 wrote: post #344
reaperducer wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I think is finally giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. I don't care about Mr. Musk's politics. But I dumped all of my Tesla stock recently because of his increasingly erratic behavior. To me, it demonstrates an inability to make wise decisions. And I can't trust my money to people who can no longer reliably make wise decisions. He's impulsive, and entertaining to watch; but now I will do so from a distan…

That isn't a great reason to dump Tesla. A good reason to dump Tesla is that Ford and Toyota are poised to run them out of business. Between the fires and the "autopilot" crash issues and price and production delays, Tesla will end up going the way of the Delorian.

That isn't a great reason to dump Tesla.

My money, my decision. Over the last 30 years, it's worked quite well for me.

I also believe that taking advice from randos on the internet is not a sound investment strategy.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by soperj »

daenz wrote: post #252
enumjorge wrote: post #225

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It would be unexpected for a company run by a free speech absolutist.

I had to look up what a free speech absolutist was[0]. As far as the definition goes, which is about opposing any speech restrictions from the state, I don't see how the internal communications of a private company falls under that. 0. https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/free-speech-absolutist/4...

He believes it should apply to twitter...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by brandonagr2 »

snarf21 wrote: post #344
reaperducer wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I think is finally giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. I don't care about Mr. Musk's politics. But I dumped all of my Tesla stock recently because of his increasingly erratic behavior. To me, it demonstrates an inability to make wise decisions. And I can't trust my money to people who can no longer reliably make wise decisions. He's impulsive, and entertaining to watch; but now I will do so from a distan…

That isn't a great reason to dump Tesla. A good reason to dump Tesla is that Ford and Toyota are poised to run them out of business. Between the fires and the "autopilot" crash issues and price and production delays, Tesla will end up going the way of the Delorian.

How is Toyota, who is widely known for being anti-EV and still trying to pitch hydrogen fuel cells, poised to run Tesla out of business?

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/toyota-pushes-back-ag...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by memish »

phailhaus wrote: post #336
axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.

Only if you don't understand context and what free speech is.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by watwut »

omega3 wrote: post #381
phailhaus wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.

You can believe in free speech and paying for the consequences of what is being said. These two aren't mutually exclusive.

Given the context, it is not much convincing argument.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by jakupovic »

axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by disintegore »

pcmoney wrote: post #377
phailhaus wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.

There is a difference between a social media platform user experience and an employee you pay to work. In the first case you are hoping they will use their free time on your platform. In the second place you are exchanging money to get them to do what you want them to do instead of what they would otherwise be doing. If I pay a plumber to fix the toilet and he starts bothering me about ANYTHING BUT FIXING THE TOILET.…

You don't employ your plumber full time, perennially. Your episodes of petty tyranny probably do not threaten your plumber's livelihood and/or career. Furthermore if your plumber gives you indications on how to avoid damaging your plumbing, it may not be directly related to "fixing the toilet", but he is nonetheless doing his job.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by boeingUH60 »

freewizard wrote: post #284

Travis Kalanick visited a bar with escort services with female employee presence, and he resigned in 2017. Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned a female employee for sex, he keeps his job in 2022.[1] I feel sorry for the progress of gender equality in Silicon Valley. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...

Kalanick resigned because of a culmination of controversies, not necessarily visiting a bar with escort services.

Firing a CEO for purchasing escort services would be quite a low bar to set. Note that I'm not saying I support the act.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by thepasswordis »

What’s so funny about these types of stories is that they’re always about the response to some action, and not the action itself.

What is Elon doing in public that’s so bad, exactly? He’s against authoritarian governments? The horror!

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by disintegore »

nightski wrote: post #383
phailhaus wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.

Deciding not to pay you to say whatever you want has nothing to do with your ability to say it.

Deciding not to associate with you or provide you with a platform for saying what you want has nothing to do with your ability to say it. Enjoy Substack.
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