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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by tsunamifury »

germinalphrase wrote: post #229
gfodor wrote: post #210

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I’ve disconnected myself from the contemporary political back and forth, but my outsider take is that it rather seems like the US left has… mostly accomplished little? What sweeping changes or policy platforms have them ‘off the deep end’? This is an honest inquiry.

They don’t have an answer because the modern democrats are the basically republicans of the 90s leaving the GOP with only a lot of complaining and projection as well as anti government theater.

It’s sort of a joke but it’s more sad. I used to vote Republican and I would again if anyone there was even half willing to be more considerate and rational.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by refurb »

I mean if I wrote a letter criticizing my CEO and made it public or just widespread in the company I’d expect to be fired?

Typically there are channels to voice criticism internally within a company that don’t involve public statements.

And if the answer back is “we disagree with your criticism” I mean the options are: 1) drop it or 2) leave.

As the economy falters we’re going to see a lot less coddling of employee behavior that undermines the business itself.

I mean Google put up with their own employees complaining publicly about their customers. That wouldn’t fly in any other company.

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Post by kayodelycaon »

burlesona wrote: post #150
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

He has Asperger’s and has talked openly about his difficulty understanding social cues. https://www.axios.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-aspergers-syndrom... I don’t think that fully excuses or justified everything he does, but it has some explanatory power. It’s obvious by his work output that he is not a very typical person, and it seems like society as a whole is gaining tremendous benefit from his eccentricity. I don’t…

Asperger's isn't an excuse for poor behavior.

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Post by riazrizvi »

chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

Worst thing? His influencing is central to his success.

Unfortunately for civil discourse, it’s more effective to create controversial messaging that resonates with your followers, than sanitized messaging that is generally inoffensive. Controversial messaging makes your supporters increasingly loyal and attentive, as the noise from vocal ‘haters’ just keeps feeding your base. It’s perverse, it’s toxic, it’s exhausting but it works.

Look at the price earnings ratio of Tesla. What else is it but the world’s largest meme stock? His messaging vibes very strongly with Wall Street Journal readers and the Reddit trading community.

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Post by adolph »

thepasswordis wrote: post #254

Good. According to Shotwells response they were basically harassing the rest of the staff and trying to get them to turn on the company. Fire them immediately . Name and shame them so that they have to explain this behavior to their next employer. This type of thing is so toxic and so abusive to everybody they try to suck into it.

> Shotwells response

This is the significant part.

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Post by markdown »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Post by qwerpy »

dawnerd wrote: post #244
gfodor wrote: post #210

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I don’t want to get into politics here but you really should take a bigger step back if that’s how you actually believe it to be.

Guy here who also got pushed into the arms of the right based on what the left has been doing. Interesting that you think going in this direction apparently merits some kind of emergency introspection while going in the other direction doesn’t. People want different things out of life.

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Post by Aunche »

germinalphrase wrote: post #191
andsoitis wrote: post #154

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> democracy as long as it's not within his companies. Can you name a single company that operates as a democracy?

What features of democracy are you concerned with? It’s not hard to find employee-owned and/or cooperatives. CHS, Inc up here in St. Paul does almost 40 billion in revenue as a cooperative.

CHS Inc is about as democratic as McDonalds. The farmers can vote, just as McDonald's shareholders can, but I'd bet that the Hispanic laborers they rely on have less of a say over their working conditions than McDonald's workers.

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Post by huhwat »

Geee wrote: post #189
stillbourne wrote: post #165

For being such a huge proponent of free speech he sure seems to hate it when people talk.

That's not how free speech works. Right to speech freely doesn't give you magical protection from consequences of your speech.

No, but some speech is protected from consequences. Discussing working conditions is protected speech.

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Post by mulcahey »

Thaxll wrote: post #195
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars I think there is a misconception here, SpaceX does not send anyone to space, NASA, ESA etc .. does. SpaceX builds rockets that's it, they don't train astronaut or have a program for space exploration or missions.

This is incorrect. Inspiration4 sent astronauts they trained. This was largely true for the Axiom mission as well, and will be for the Polaris missions.
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