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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by huhwat » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

onelovetwo wrote: post #152

chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements. Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china. SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

Tesla cars are garbage, speaking as a Tesla owner. They demo nicely, but they are put together poorly. The minute there's any meaningful competition they'll crumble.

Combined with the risks from their autopilot system and their mistreatment of workers and their CEO being a right wing edgelord? There's plenty of reasons to think Tesla might not be on a good path.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by bigbillheck » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

onelovetwo wrote: post #152

chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements. Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china. SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

Teslas have been exploding for several years now.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #210

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Except that it's a flawed democracy in that you only seem to have two choices, with people often choosing the lesser evil, or deciding not to vote anyway because it doesn't matter.

"the left" and "the right", or "the democrats" and "the republicans" in essence, is too wide a net. "The left go off the deep end" is also, when you look into it, a fairly small percentage of the wider population.

But it feels like people are pushed to the fringes, because the Other Side is being pushed to the fringes. There's just, from the perspective of an outsider, a lot of antagonism between the two "sides".

And that antagonism is being fueled by someone. There's people with a lot of money and / or special interests who benefit off of the infighting and polarisation.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by RealityVoid » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #210

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by reaperducer » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

What I think is finally giving people Elon fatigue is his politics.

I don't care about Mr. Musk's politics. But I dumped all of my Tesla stock recently because of his increasingly erratic behavior.

To me, it demonstrates an inability to make wise decisions. And I can't trust my money to people who can no longer reliably make wise decisions.

He's impulsive, and entertaining to watch; but now I will do so from a distance. And so will my money.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by huhwat » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

Turns out speech about working conditions is protected. You can't be fired for sharing your wages, for instance.

I would not be shocked to hear that this results in a lawsuit over protected concerted activity.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by Hayvok » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. > I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV.

YMMV indeed, because every conservative I talk to is seeing him as a hero who is finally speaking truth to power, and calling B.S. on the establishment (political, corporate HR, academic) narratives that have been running through the culture.

They aren’t sick of him at all - they’re cheering him on.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by rajin444 » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

Is your post implying being conservative is inherently bad? It seems like that’s the unspoken crux of your argument - ie you actually have an issue with a “conservative” (I hesitate to label musk as one) winning the culture war. Conservatives make the same argument about “don’t be political” when liberals are winning.

I’m mostly in agreement with what you said, but I don’t think your reasons are coming from a principled place.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by ravenstine » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #205

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. Build quality wise? Definitely, Tesla has a lot of issues there which the established industry has ironed out and perfected over the last hundred years. Other proble…

You bring up a good point, but I think old school car manufacturers don't believe that directly competing with Tesla is the winning move. If they're smart, I think they'll go for affordability, which is an utterly failed promise of Tesla. Bring down the price of full-electrics and plug-in hybrids, and you've got an audience of buyers that Tesla never took seriously. I for one would love an electric vehicle but in the year 2022 it's still not economical for me to trade in my beater car for even a used plug-in hybrid.

When there's a recession, no one's going to give a shit about a car with a bunch of bells and whistles. They want a car that they can afford to buy and afford to drive. In any case, that's what I want.