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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by djbebs »

leesec wrote: post #103
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Companies are pretty democratic. It's constituents are the shareholders, not the workers.

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Post by mcguire »

stackedinserter wrote: post #127
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

I'm totally ok with that if that "petty/childish/immature" person lands rockets on barges and revolutionizes space travel.

For some reason I am suddenly reminded of SS-Sturmbannführer von Braun.

https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7Ro

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Post by rg111 »

pyronik19 wrote: post #175
rg111 wrote: post #147

Musk talked so much about "free speech" in recent times! This move is embarrassing. You can't just fire people for criticism.

You have freedom of speech just not freedom from consequences :)

> freedom from consequences

is such a meaningless, bloated phrase.

Only consequence of speech should never be more severe than speech.

"Freedom from consequences" is a weak argument used by supporters of autocrats, mobocracies, cancel-culturists, religious bigots wanting to punish blasphemous comments, and so on.

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Post by kofejnik »

user_named wrote: post #124
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Wait six month, when the Tesla stock has crashed and he gets margin called. He's going to go nuts and have an epic fall from grace.

if you absolutely certain it will crash, go deep OTM short with literally everything you have, you'll make a shitton of $$$

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Post by stillbourne »

Geee wrote: post #189
stillbourne wrote: post #165

For being such a huge proponent of free speech he sure seems to hate it when people talk.

That's not how free speech works. Right to speech freely doesn't give you magical protection from consequences of your speech.

Oh I absolutely agree, you can view my comment history if you don't believe me. But that is not how Musk has framed his support for free speech in the past. Musk has made it clear that he is "anti-moderation", the case of things like banning Trump from social media with the reasoning that moderation is not free speech. But this kind of behavior is de facto retaliatory employee censorship. You can't have your cake and eat it too, you are either pro free speech or not.

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Post by aidenn0 »

Thaxll wrote: post #195
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars I think there is a misconception here, SpaceX does not send anyone to space, NASA, ESA etc .. does. SpaceX builds rockets that's it, they don't train astronaut or have a program for space exploration or missions.

That's like saying "guns don't kill people" while technically true, having a rocket certainly helps get people into space...

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Post by golemotron »

yieldcrv wrote: post #99

Ouch given that there were some valid proposals But also valid if people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about, I’ve seen that trend and I’m totally find curb stomping that whole mentality. I can empathize with the lack of employee power in the US that could lead one to these outcomes, there are other ways (that may not be available to those employees or in the US at all) For Shotwell,…

This is a critical time for the company. As Shotwell pointed out:

> We have 3 launches within 37 hours for critical satellites this weekend, we have to support the astronauts we delivered to the ISS and get cargo Dragon back to the flight-ready, and after receiving environmental approval early this week, we are on the cusp of the first orbital launch attempt of Starship. We have too much critical work to accomplish

There are times for open discussion and there are times to just shut up and get with the program.

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Post by [deleted] »

heyflyguy wrote: post #136
keremkacel wrote: post #115

Isn't this against some non-retaliation laws?

I would be willing to bet that in the employee handbook it requires that nobody act in a nature that is contrary to the advancement of the company. This most certainly is, and is also likely easily cited as a lack of productivity of the employee while being paid by the company.

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