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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by bitexploder »

user_named wrote: post #124
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Wait six month, when the Tesla stock has crashed and he gets margin called. He's going to go nuts and have an epic fall from grace.

If I might be so bold, I don’t think anyone around here really appreciates Musk’s antics very much. However Tesla and SpaceX are fundamentally sound, if overvalued, businesses. Since the start of Tesla he has had loud and obnoxious detractors who have had any number of reasons Tesla is about to implode. Instead they keep churning out solid EVs and SpaceX keeps putting stuff in space. As much as I dislike him, I would not bet against his businesses.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by onelovetwo »

chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements.

Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china.

SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by jmyeet »

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark.

A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning is real and, from what I've seen at least, very highly regarded.

What I think is finally giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. The Twitter acquisition is deeply tied to that. He's just another rich cringe conservative. That's it. Coming out and supporting DeSantis, for example, should surprise literally no one.

He has a very thin skin (remember the whole "pedo guy" incident?), inflates his own accomplishments (eg claiming he founded Tesla) and honestly just comes off (now more than ever) as just an awful human being.

Stories I've heard seem to reflect that SpaceX and Tesla aren't great places to work (at least compared to big tech companies).

I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by andsoitis »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

> democracy as long as it's not within his companies.

Can you name a single company that operates as a democracy?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by itsoktocry »

0daystock wrote: post #139
keremkacel wrote: post #115

Isn't this against some non-retaliation laws?

At will employment. You can be fired anytime for any reason, and there's not much in the way of recourse. Though you also get to quit without notice at such a job.

>Though you also get to quit without notice at such a job.

This sounds strange to me. Since there's a massive power imbalance between employee and employer, how is that seen as an equivalent tradeoff?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by heyflyguy »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Quoted post unavailable.

I will ride the down arrow roller coaster with you. People can make a choice about where they work. Companies are not democracies. Organizing unions is a fast-track to a closed location, relocated factory, or loss of a job.

Companies exist to make profit. Unions extract profit at a disproportionate rate to the value they provide. Every business owner knows this. People who think unions add value are drinking the kool-aid. High performers are not rewarded because the ocean is now higher.

If you are an average performer, you definitely want a union. If you're a high-performer, unions are a form of arbitrage for your salary.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by kofejnik »

tbh I'd kill for a chance to work at SpaceX, no matter what Elon does or twits (unless he hurts puppies obv)

Elon is free to do whatever, he's a grown man, and as another grown man, I am not bothered. If you're embarrassed to work for him, just quit.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by foobarian »

leesec wrote: post #103
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Yeah I find that big Western cos are actually micro-communisms or dictatorships. Tickles me pink to think about it.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by honkdaddy »

itsoktocry wrote: post #146
Tepix wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy Unlikely, given his dependence on China - he'll stay quiet, just like Tim Cook does at Apple.

> Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. I think they are. "Silicon Valley" is an idea or abstraction now, rather than a geographic location.

Is it though? I’m a FAANG engineer in NYC and explicitly don’t consider myself an SV engineer.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

stackedinserter wrote: post #127
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

I'm totally ok with that if that "petty/childish/immature" person lands rockets on barges and revolutionizes space travel.

The point is, he doesn't, The people working for him do. He managed to create an environment where these people working for him can do it. But he does not land those rockets.

There are two sides of this coin: 1) a company without its employees cannot function, 2) somehow everyone became entitled to everything during covid.

It's sad, I get the point of view of both sides. Hopefully they can reach a compromise.

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