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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by charles_kaw »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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Unions are when employees get together to demand better working conditions. The only people who should be afraid of unions are those who hold capital.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by danieldevries »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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Unionizing is not lame. It's about a balance of power between owners and workers.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by walkhour »

blitzar wrote: post #2

Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

The fact that this comment is upvoted and is taken as a gotcha argument or something with any validity when it requires five seconds to realize it's easily refutable is not a good show for HN

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by blocked_again »

charles_kaw wrote: post #131
blocked_again wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Unions are when employees get together to demand better working conditions. The only people who should be afraid of unions are those who hold capital.

It's a free market. Find another company who values your skill.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by helmholtz »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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Username checks out I guess. This is an extremely low-effort comment. It seems that you would _prefer_ to live in a society where job security is so fragile that a well-meaning letter can get you fired?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by heyflyguy »

keremkacel wrote: post #115

Isn't this against some non-retaliation laws?

I would be willing to bet that in the employee handbook it requires that nobody act in a nature that is contrary to the advancement of the company. This most certainly is, and is also likely easily cited as a lack of productivity of the employee while being paid by the company.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by charles_kaw »

stackedinserter wrote: post #127
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

I'm totally ok with that if that "petty/childish/immature" person lands rockets on barges and revolutionizes space travel.

But, you shouldn't have to be. And more importantly, what happens when he brings this attitude to long term space missions or other endeavors where human lives are at risk? Just because he's doing something you like doesn't mean it's okay, or good, or right.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by mrep »

speedgoose wrote: post #119
leesec wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Why would governments be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Eh, we vote in the top people but government's are mostly run hierarchal just as companies are and shareholders vote in board members who appoint the ceo who then runs the company hierarchal so I honestly don't see that much difference.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by yieldcrv »

fnimick wrote: post #104
yieldcrv wrote: post #99

Ouch given that there were some valid proposals But also valid if people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about, I’ve seen that trend and I’m totally find curb stomping that whole mentality. I can empathize with the lack of employee power in the US that could lead one to these outcomes, there are other ways (that may not be available to those employees or in the US at all) For Shotwell,…

"I'm totally fine curb stomping [employee activism]" I knew HN skewed toward tech-bro libertarianism, but this is a bit much even for that.

I said what I said

People tried to get corporations to “use their platform”, some started doing that at the annoyance and exclusion of employees that werent interested in having those unrelated causes and discussions in the workday while being told “silence means you’re against us and for whatever we’re against today”

The corporation does not exist for that and is a conduit for revenue exclusively

Some other type of organization is more suited for that, they exist. It may be incompatible with someone’s ability to exchange time for food and shelter but thats exclusively their problem

So its nice to see more examples of complete and immediate excision, a reversion to the mean

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