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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by concordDance »

Laremere wrote: post #62
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

On one hand, I agree with you. I've personally seen low level people at a large corporation believe they were unequivocally in the right, and tried to use the weight of their moral conviction to impose their view of things onto everyone else. It's not your job to do this, and it's not my job to care. On the other hand, there has to be some capacity for this type of discussion to occur. Musk owns less than 50% of Spac…

> I think it's a reasonable desire to want to work for SpaceX, but not want someone's first reaction to hearing that you work at SpaceX to be bringing up whatever stupid thing Elon has done this week

Like a lot of things, the blame for this falls on the news media.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by concordDance »

wallaBBB wrote: post #55
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Generally OK, but I'm not sure if we should have different perspective for SpaceX considering it's funded by taxpayers' money, it's not out there competing in the free market...

> it's not out there competing in the free market...

Um. They are. SpaceX had almost as many commercial launches as gov ones last year.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by concordDance »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #69
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

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Ah, the gish gallop. A classic.

Anyway, Musk can show me his dick all he likes if I get 200k per viewing.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

concordDance wrote: post #91
Laremere wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, I agree with you. I've personally seen low level people at a large corporation believe they were unequivocally in the right, and tried to use the weight of their moral conviction to impose their view of things onto everyone else. It's not your job to do this, and it's not my job to care. On the other hand, there has to be some capacity for this type of discussion to occur. Musk owns less than 50% of Spac…

> I think it's a reasonable desire to want to work for SpaceX, but not want someone's first reaction to hearing that you work at SpaceX to be bringing up whatever stupid thing Elon has done this week Like a lot of things, the blame for this falls on the news media.

The media is now responsible for Musk's unhinged twitter account? Man, people really will blame them for everything...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by nocoolnametom »

Musk may end up being the most influential person to:

1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure

2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars

3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers

His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months of taking over Twitter (assuming he doesn't just eat the penalties for dropping out of the agreement) he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy as long as it's not within his companies.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by kortilla »

wallaBBB wrote: post #55
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Generally OK, but I'm not sure if we should have different perspective for SpaceX considering it's funded by taxpayers' money, it's not out there competing in the free market...

SpaceX isn’t funded by taxpayers anymore than Amazon is (for JEDI) or the local gas station that sells fuel to federal fleet vehicles. Just because the government is a customer doesn’t put it in the “funded by taxpayers’” camp in the sense that the public has any say in the company.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by yieldcrv »

Ouch given that there were some valid proposals

But also valid if people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about, I’ve seen that trend and I’m totally find curb stomping that whole mentality. I can empathize with the lack of employee power in the US that could lead one to these outcomes, there are other ways (that may not be available to those employees or in the US at all)

For Shotwell, I still think it is disingenuous to suggest there aren't other daily distractions people don't get fired for

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by alkonaut »

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?”

I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I also don’t know if this shift is subjective and merely because I see more of him now than before. But I can’t help thinking that now he seems like a massive asshat in nearly every single human interaction whereas before he had some kind of likability.

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