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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by cloutchaser »

numair wrote: post #22
cloutchaser wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, if you don’t want to work for musk, go work for bezos and build rockets for him. I for one think the timing of the sexual claim makes it obvious it’s political, but no one has to work for musk. So leave if you want to, if musk is so offensive. Not everyone company is an ESG obsessed multinational.

The fact that you’ve inserted “political” into a fact-based happened-or-didn’t situation says more about you, and your willingness to buy into people’s conspiracy theories, than anything about the situation. SpaceX is operating in a highly regulated industry and shoving crap into space, which affects every person on Earth for the next several decades. They are way more accountable to society than almost every “multin…

A friend of the employee made unsubstantiated claims right when Elon was doing his Twitter thing, and threatening the stranglehold of establishment lefts information control.

Yes, it’s political.

Why didn’t the employee go to the police? Why didn’t her friend reveal this information years ago.

Your point is ridiculously naive.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by hiram112 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #15
checker wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly sounds hypocritical if you're willing to play liberties with the definition of free speech. However, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of such speech. The audience can respond any way they like without infringing on the speaker's rights (and it's not a right to work at SpaceX). These employees should have expected this reaction; Musk doesn't seem like the type to pass up executing his ri…

He has most definitely been arguing against consequences as part of it. You know, like getting banned on twitter.

This is a little disingenuous. Twitter itself is the means of "speech." I don't think Musk or anyone else has stated that your Tweets should exempt you from consequences off the platform. Similarly, the ability for everyone to speak their mind on the world's modern town square doesn't give Twitter employees carte blanche within the corporate hierarchy.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by stn_za »

koheripbal wrote: post #25
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Love this!

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by lprd »

koheripbal wrote: post #25
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

This should be standard practice. Politics these days are toxic as it is, why would you want to drag that into the workplace? Even if it wasn't toxic, it just seems highly inappropriate.

If one wants to be a political activist, perhaps go find a job that's better suited for that type of behavior.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by Spartan22 »

koheripbal wrote: post #25
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Wh

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by concordDance »

blitzar wrote: post #2

Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

This presumably means he's unhappy with regulation of speech in the "public square". Company internal coms may fall in a different category for him.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by boeingUH60 »

koheripbal wrote: post #25
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Honestly, this is the way to go. Discussing politics or religion opens a can of worms because people can never agree on these things.

I don't care about the political or religious beliefs (if any) of people I work with, and they shouldn't care about mine. If I really cared, then we could have off-work discussions...which I've done a few times (and they were respectful and productive).

I also think it's important to say that I'm not in the US of A, where political discussions seem to penetrate every aspect of life.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by cr__ »

koheripbal wrote: post #25
uejfiweun wrote: post #18

Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Is “the boss is acting like a huge turd” something you’re allowed to discuss at your workplace?
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