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Calling for Antitrust Reform

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Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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That's not "antitrust reform". It's so narrowly drawn that it affects only maybe Facebook, Google, and Twitter. Read the definition of "covered platform". Arguably it's a bill of attainder.

I don't think you know what a bill of attainder is. How is it punishing the companies?

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#132
post #2

That's not "antitrust reform". It's so narrowly drawn that it affects only maybe Facebook, Google, and Twitter. Read the definition of "covered platform". Arguably it's a bill of attainder.

> That's not "antitrust reform". It's so narrowly drawn Almost by definition, anti-trust law is only going to narrowly effect a few companies. If a company isn't huge already, then the whole motivation for applying anti-trust law goes away. The whole point of anti-trust law is to narrowly target only a few of the very worst offenders in a market.

Why does size matter in this context?

For example, Apple will likely be forbidden from making a device where the selling point is that it only runs code from their own app store, but if some random Android company does the same thing by vastly modifying AOSP/their hardware to the point where it can't be rooted and can only install apps via their own store, why are they not punished? as a consumer I'm equally harmed in the same ways by both companies, the only difference is that, in the second situation, my freedom being violated is less important when 50 million other americans aren't also suffering at the hands of that company.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#133
post #44

> (2) BUSINESS USER.—The term “business user”— > [skip a little] (B) does not include a person that— > [skip a little] > (ii) is controlled by the Government of the People's Republic of China or the government of another foreign adversary. Might want to read not only the article but the actual legislation. This is an interesting snippet that says interesting things about how Congress is looking at the broader busines…

So is this good or bad for them I wonder? The word “adversary” seems to imply that it’s antagonist but hmmm.

It says that companies controlled by the PRC do not count for establishing monopoly status, and that companies can take steps to prevent those companies from exfiltrating data even if the act would normally forbid it. It's very against China

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#134
post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say I make a miracle drug for people with a rare disease, patent it, and it costs $0.01 to produce, and I'll watch people die unless they pay me >$1M. Am I a monopoly since I only have a few million in revenue?

If you create such a miracle drug why on earth would we want a policy that lets people die?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli#Daraprim_price-...

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#135
Yeah Mozilla, wasn't it you who lended credibility to those pay-as-you-go wannabe "standardization bodies" W3C, WHATWG in the first place? To give us our modern web of shit nobody wanted, and where nearly every bit of the tech stack, from HTML (WHATWG), CSS (W3C), HTTP (IETF) was foobar'd by Google via their puppet organizations? That the HTML 5/WHATWG "process" and CSS is anti-competitive crap and unproven as a spec is already evident by no new browser engines having been coded from scratch; in fact, both Opera and MS (!) stopped development of their browsers due to completely and utterly unwarranted complexity.

But you Mozilla stood by cheering, and taking Google's money, alienating your user base and sinking money into side projects instead.

Calling for new antitrust law seems just a multi-year detour to keep the status quo when there's an enforcement and bribery problem: how was Google able to acquire DoubleClick and YouTube, and Facebook to acquire WhatsApp with Zuckerberg basically lying to most governments in the world?

So you want a law to force Firefox onto iOS, including its inferior and power hungry rendering engine? Personally I'll be returning to using Mac OS later this year (after having used iOS the last three years), specifically to get away from the crap that fscking need-to-restart-now FF, and the frustratingly stalling or regressive PC hardware and O/S landscape has become.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#136
post #36

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Safari on mobile has lagged behind standards for a long time, because doing so wouldn't strengthen their app business. E.g. webrtc. Safari still lags behind many things. When you call people to be careful, you are missing the conflict apple has internally. Between the two, i choose chrome any day of the week because that's what allowed web to progress this fast

The "standards" which are mainly controlled by Google? Between the two, i choose chrome any day of the week because that's what allowed web to progress this fast I don't call that "progress" --- perhaps progress towards a Google monopoly, if you really insist. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Change is Google's weapon. They can churn the standards all they want in order to outrun competitors because only th…

I mean... So far, most things that I consider "standard" have been _fairly_ meaningful for consumers, and open for everyone to use, free of charge.

I am extremely happy when I don't have to install an app, including when video chatting (which zoom is extremely guilty of).

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#137

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So because Apple takes time to add features in a secure, private and efficient way they are being accused of lagging behind standards. And you literally just described the inherent problem. Developers will move to the platform that gives it the most flexibility and features. Users follow. And we end up back in IE days with less diversity and less competition.

That's generous. Apple also ships buggy implementations despite taking more time to ship. Then taking years to fix, if ever. And rarely backporting fixes to older releases.

Exactly this. "Slow because careful" is only charitable.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#138

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The web has been progressing too fast, and most of the things that Safari has held back on are features that developers want but users don’t, like push notifications.

> The web has been progressing too fast How many Apple engineers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: None, they just declare darkness to be an innovative new feature. I joke, but they did recently reveal that they're adding a toggle for Dark Mode in Safari: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/01/safari-feature-light-da...

Chrome extensions (which are sadly still disabled in android chrome) actually can fix this without new feature (beauty of extensibility, i guess). Dark reader extension is fairly good.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#139

>A fair playing field is vital to ensure that Mozilla and other independent companies can continue to act as a counterweight to big tech You literally exist on Google revenue provided in order to prevent antitrust litigation, hardly independent.

(Corrupt execs aside) What other forms of revenue can Mozilla use? Everyone thinks Pocket is a meme, no one really cares about Mozilla VPN, any attempts at making money will be seen as Mozilla turning for-profit. Donations? Lmao. Good engineers are extremely expensive to buy.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

#140
post #128

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Doesn't the bill text also have thresholds that need to be met (such as revenue, user quantity, etc) for you to be subject to enforcement?

Yes. The thresholds are insanely high - like 1 in 8 people use it. Literally. 50 million US MAU or 1 billion worldwide (a smaller threshold of 100k business customers). And a market cap of 550 billion dollars (which automatically adjusts with inflation).

> which automatically adjusts with inflation)

For reference:

> adjusted for inflation on the basis of the Consumer Price Index;

Hmm... I wonder if this sort of verbiage might make much more of an impact on a hundred million working class Americans' lives if it were applied to other sections of the US Code...

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