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I'm making drugs for cats

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Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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Easier regulatory environments. Not only do you not need to talk to the FDA before testing your drug in animals, cats are way less likely to sue you if they get sick from your drug. Of course, we’d still do our best to make sure they didn’t, but it’s less likely to sink the entire company if they do.

And that's how our dog died in 25 days from a painkiller that the protocol is to check for liver function after 30 days... I suppose this sentence is meant to be a little tongue in cheek, but a few of us at least do not find it funny.

I can see why you found that upsetting.

Still: our society (rationally) does not devote the same resources to drug development for animals as it does for humans. And even protocols, dosing regimens, etc, for humans are not perfect. And even when the ideal protocol is chosen, some people still have a bad outcome by being an outlier.

Medicine is very imperfect; veterinary medicine is worse.

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought this is paraphrased, but this is lifted straight from the article. This is so incredibly wrong I simply couldn't get past this statement.

I think this company is not understanding the role that animals have in millennial households.

The company which is betting the farm on cat owners spending money to treat their suffering cats doesn't know their market?

On the basis of what evidence.

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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Just wanted to leave a plea for someone, anyone, to please start working on FeLV and FIV vaccines. Cats normally live 16 years. FeLV/FIV takes them at age 2 or 3. It happened to both of mine. Not only is it common, but it's often assumed that it'll happen. It seems almost lucky when cats don't get it. If an epidemic like that were affecting humans, a trillion dollars would be spent to fight it. But since it's cats, w…

Lost two little friends because of that ;(

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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If this was published on Medium, I would have highlighted this paragraph: "On the human side, the FDA mostly considers their responsibility to be to stop unsafe or ineffective drugs from entering the marketplace, and believes that allowing safe and effective drugs to enter the marketplace is a secondary goal."

There's an enormous amount of literature and commentary out there about the tendency for federal regulators in general, and the FDA especially, to minimize "Type I" error (approving drugs that are unsafe/ineffective) with the negative consequence of making more "Type II" errors (not approving drugs that are safe and effective).

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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Yea, isn't that how Viagra came about - "Well it doesn't the blood vessels quite like we wanted, but .... well it does this!"

And Rogaine. It was also created to treat High BP as a powerful vasodilator. Turns out it made you hairy too. Maybe we should spend all of our R&D pursuing High BP -- who knows what other ailments we'll cure!

I mentioned this before in HN, will mention again. There is definitely something about vasodilation and hair growth/mobility, especially when it comes to in-grown facial hair.

If you have in-grown hairs, take Viagra once and they'll start coming out in a few hours on their own or with minimal mechanical force. The effect continues for a day or two so I am sure even the secondary metabolites might be somewhat active in inducing this effect.

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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> I felt good! The next step was in sight: a test of the drug in humans, to see if we actually saw the blood levels of cyclosporine that I expected we would. We had contracted with a CRO in the Netherlands and were raising the $1+ million needed to actually carry out the test when – pop! – the biotech markets imploded. Suddenly, investors literally stopped returning my (and everyone else’s) emails.

That sounds like a Phase 1 trial for safety in human volunteers. If the plan was to sell the IP to or partner with a major Pharma, maybe this could work. But the IP situation may not be that clear-cut with a drug repurposing, especially given this:

> This is still a tall order for a guy whose background was, again, science blogger. But things went surprisingly ok, all things considered. I linked up with an excellent corporate attorney and patent attorney, both of whom agreed to let me use their services on a pay later basis. ...

You really can't do this on the cheap.

People in tech (or even science broadly) trying to get into the drug industry frankly have no clue about what it actually takes to get a drug approved for humans in the US. Hundreds of millions are table stakes. The bar is higher than just about any other industry for new product introduction, even for a repurposing.

Even if the bear market had stayed in hibernation for another year or two, the fundamental problem is that human drug approval is a massive resource drain that requires very deep pockets and an ironclad IP position.

Failure (after massive expenditure) should be considered the base case.

Re: I'm making drugs for cats

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Just wanted to leave a plea for someone, anyone, to please start working on FeLV and FIV vaccines. Cats normally live 16 years. FeLV/FIV takes them at age 2 or 3. It happened to both of mine. Not only is it common, but it's often assumed that it'll happen. It seems almost lucky when cats don't get it. If an epidemic like that were affecting humans, a trillion dollars would be spent to fight it. But since it's cats, w…

> If an epidemic like that were affecting humans, a trillion dollars would be spent to fight it.

Only if it affected rich western countries. Poor fuckers of all ages from around equator are decimated daily and comparatively very little was done and its not great even now. Very easy and cheap to minimize exposure (ie mosquito nets), and completely reachable to eradicate for for maybe 70-80% of affected population. But I guess dying african/asian kid half around the world doesn't stir enough emotions these days.

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