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A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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“We have longstanding employee and supplier policies in place to prevent discrimination and conflicts of interest, and we take those seriously.” Isn't adding a superfluous "and we take those seriously" the rhetorical equivalent of pouting? Every time I read this - after an account suspension, for example - the impression I get is that no, they don't really take those things seriously. They're just improvising or leav…

I just switched to hackernews from a Gmail conversation I was having with Google customer support. The chain started when a Google person sent me a follow-up from a chat conversation where the Google support person refused to help me. The follow-up mail said a reply "will come directly to me". I replied and a second emailer replied back to me to "thank you for your understanding". I replied again and yet another Goog…

Isn’t it just as likely that the software developers disempower the support staff as much as they do users? Maybe the agent did think that the reply would reach them, and the algorithm was being AB tested.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing the URL to a paywalled article no one can read isn't very helpful though.

Not to be picky, but everyone can read the article. They just have to pay. We have to support journalism some how.

While I agree that journalism needs to be supported somehow, saying that "everyone can read the article" is classist and out of touch. HN's audience extends far outside of the glorious realm of Silicon Valley, where everyone makes 6 figures and never has to worry about money.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be helpful if you could provide further information, because I haven't heard of this before. Extraordinary claims and all that... > It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics I thought evangelicalism has been strong on and off since America was founded; the rise now is closer to a return to the field after they were routed some time around 2008 (…

Evangelicism has been strong since the founding, but it is more brazenly political now than it has been historically. There is actually a legal requirement for churches to stay out of politics in order to maintain their tax-exempt status. The enforcement of that has gotten more lax over the last few decades. With regards to information about entanglements between religion and business, start with the LDS church, whos…

I know about the LDS (they have always wielded a lot of power), but Presbyterians?

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evangelicism has been strong since the founding, but it is more brazenly political now than it has been historically. There is actually a legal requirement for churches to stay out of politics in order to maintain their tax-exempt status. The enforcement of that has gotten more lax over the last few decades. With regards to information about entanglements between religion and business, start with the LDS church, whos…

I know about the LDS (they have always wielded a lot of power), but Presbyterians?

Yeah, that came as a surprise to me too. And I have not verified this, but it came to me from a source that I consider reliable (a local real estate agent).

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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From the podcast: "He was the golden chain to heaven. The only way to get to heaven was to allow him sexual activity with me." ... What makes people join these groups to begin with?? Why do they believe such obvious lies?

https://youtu.be/FghSUttp6Lc&t=10m35s says: a compatible pitch followed by a gradual resocialization process.

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Is this another case of "corporate religion"? It's not new, I've seen studies of cases a few years ago. Terrifying to know some managers are adopting it and people get dragged into it. I understand individuality, free will and consciousness are not exactly valued in the brave new world paradigm, but I'd rather stay clear from such places.

As the article explains, no. This is an external group that got a foothold and nepotistically hired more from its ranks and made purchases from its businesses.

Thanks, I thought it was a subscription-only article, couldn't open it.

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post #103

“We have longstanding employee and supplier policies in place to prevent discrimination and conflicts of interest, and we take those seriously.” Isn't adding a superfluous "and we take those seriously" the rhetorical equivalent of pouting? Every time I read this - after an account suspension, for example - the impression I get is that no, they don't really take those things seriously. They're just improvising or leav…

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be helpful if you could provide further information, because I haven't heard of this before. Extraordinary claims and all that... > It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics I thought evangelicalism has been strong on and off since America was founded; the rise now is closer to a return to the field after they were routed some time around 2008 (…

Evangelicism has been strong since the founding, but it is more brazenly political now than it has been historically. There is actually a legal requirement for churches to stay out of politics in order to maintain their tax-exempt status. The enforcement of that has gotten more lax over the last few decades. With regards to information about entanglements between religion and business, start with the LDS church, whos…

> There is actually a legal requirement for churches to stay out of politics in order to maintain their tax-exempt status.

Churches and charities can get involved in politics, including ballot issues and legislation. They just can't get involved in campaigns for specific candidates. In practice, the IRS is terrified of touching religious orgs so "anything goes" as long as the church isn't a straight up criminal enterprise.

IMO the actually important thing about churches is that they don't have to file a Form 990. I don't actually have much of an issue with churches getting involved in politics -- it happens on both sides and frankly the idea of religion being divorced from politics is a fairy tale anyways -- but I do wish every church had to file a Form 990 so the public (and congregants!) can see how this tax-free money is spent.

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