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A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by umvi »

lisper wrote: post #85

This is just one example of a much bigger issue, which is religious institutions quietly taking over secular businesses without anyone realizing it. It is so pervasive and so stealthy that it is hard to even talk about it without sounding like a crackpot. It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics, but it runs much, much deeper than that. The LDS Chur…

Are you sure about your assertions? I thought all LDS Church child businesses (such as KSL, Bonneville International, etc.) and land holdings were taxed. I was under the impression only the charitable arm of the church was not taxed (i.e. donations). IANATL though, so maybe there is some loophole being exploited I'm not aware of.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by selimthegrim »

RajT88 wrote: post #41
rajup wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Christianity started as a cult. Protestantism after it. (You are right of course, Brahmanism is not a cult, but my point is many mainstream religions at one point counted as such before they became well established as their own thing)

Then why is Brahmanization studied by scholars as a phenomenon?

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by noasaservice »

dang wrote: post #48
sydthrowaway wrote: post #10

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Please do not take HN threads into religious flamewar. This is a classic generic flamewar tangent, exactly the sort of thing the site guidelines ask you not to do here. If you'd please review them and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to other threads to. Could you please stop? We ban accounts that…

Caste discrimination is definitely a thing. HN has had numerous articles about this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+... reports 2400 links, since algolia is down for maintenance.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cisco-lawsuit/california-...

is one of the bigger articles about Caste-based discrimination.

Google also cancelled a talk over this topic as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/02/google-...

I guess the bigger question is: is Ycombinator or any receiving VC funds in a lawsuit or otherwise scandal regarding caste-based discrimination? Since this has been discussed here before without threat of deplatforming, something must have changed.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by coryrc »

prirun wrote: post #90
FiloSottile wrote: post #66

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The original link presented a detailed argument for what is Google specific about this, namely that it was enabled by the two tier workforce system. https://twitter.com/alphabetworkers/status/15373969466917724...

From the Twitter link: "I was a TVC — which stands for “temps, vendors, and contractors,” a designation within Google for workers who aren’t full-time employees and are hired by third parties companies, not by Google itself. We do the same work as full-time Google employees — I worked right alongside them — but we don’t have the same corporate benefits." This is another way to screw workers, allowing large companies…

TVCs are W-2 employees of a company, with the relevant taxes paid and benefits present.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by [deleted] »

lisper wrote: post #85

This is just one example of a much bigger issue, which is religious institutions quietly taking over secular businesses without anyone realizing it. It is so pervasive and so stealthy that it is hard to even talk about it without sounding like a crackpot. It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics, but it runs much, much deeper than that. The LDS Chur…

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by _fat_santa »

goatcode wrote: post #83
devnull3 wrote: post #3

Until last year I too use to dream working in Google. But increasingly the attractiveness is decreasing. I cannot put a finger on one specific thing. It has gone too large from a career pov.

Same. The culture of early tech (nap pods, free food, work whenever) isn't compatible with the more mainstream kind of employees they're now bringing on. Gone is the passion, from all sides, and the perks and allowances given to truly obsessed developers just aren't sustainable with both the bloat and complexities hiring anyone but brings with it. Good devs create easy times, etc.

For me its appearances versus reality. When I first got into the industry, I worshipped the chance to work at Google (or Facebook, MS, etc). I've since stopped worshipping and now I would not take a job with them. Often I wonder why my mind changed over the last 4-5 years but it comes down to the fact that I've seen how the industry works. Google is very much like any other megacorp, just with an extra coat of prestige to make you want to work there, even though it is prestigious, that prestige isn't going to make the problems that megacorps run into go away.

I'm sure they have infra issues, I'm sure there are messy ass codebases saddled with tech debt everywhere, I'm sure that there is going to be scant documentation and you're going to go on the journey of talking to multiple teams. When I was younger I would have said: "but it's google, they must have figured it out". Now that I'm older I say: "but it's google, no way they don't have these issues, no thanks".

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by whatshisface »

IYasha wrote: post #86

Is this another case of "corporate religion"? It's not new, I've seen studies of cases a few years ago. Terrifying to know some managers are adopting it and people get dragged into it. I understand individuality, free will and consciousness are not exactly valued in the brave new world paradigm, but I'd rather stay clear from such places.

No, it's an example of a group of people doing a "party machine" kind of thing where they hire their connections, and their connections support them.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by whatshisface »

lisper wrote: post #85

This is just one example of a much bigger issue, which is religious institutions quietly taking over secular businesses without anyone realizing it. It is so pervasive and so stealthy that it is hard to even talk about it without sounding like a crackpot. It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics, but it runs much, much deeper than that. The LDS Chur…

It'd be helpful if you could provide further information, because I haven't heard of this before. Extraordinary claims and all that...

>It has become a little more evident recently with the emergence of evangelical Christian activism in politics

I thought evangelicalism has been strong on and off since America was founded; the rise now is closer to a return to the field after they were routed some time around 2008 (when they were getting a lot of press by losing debates about evolution and whether it should be taught in schools).

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by whatshisface »

colpabar wrote: post #70
asimpletune wrote: post #43

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Well he was ignored for promotion

The whole reason he filed the lawsuit, and thus why we are reading about this, is because he was fired and he feels it was because he tried to speak out about the cult. Did anyone in this thread read any of it lol

I think cults/fraternal organizations are a lot more common than anyone thinks, and I say this because I keep meeting/hearing about people in them.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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dang wrote: post #46

We changed the URL from https://twitter.com/alphabetworkers/status/15373969466917724... , which points to this. Submitters: " Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter. "- https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Commenters: please don't post shallow/unsubstantive/flamey things to this thread—or any HN thread, but this one seems to have been unu…

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