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What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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I'm honestly more interested in studying the most ineffective founders.

We spend too much time focusing on survivors, when I feel like the best learning comes from looking at failure.

I'd be willing to be there's a lot of failed / failing companies out there doing the exact same thing as the "most effective founders", so what makes them different? I'd be interested to know.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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post #31

I'm honestly more interested in studying the most ineffective founders. We spend too much time focusing on survivors, when I feel like the best learning comes from looking at failure. I'd be willing to be there's a lot of failed / failing companies out there doing the exact same thing as the "most effective founders", so what makes them different? I'd be interested to know.

I'd bet it's fundamentally misunderstanding the market that they go into. So many companies/founders rip the same playbook and go headstrong into a market without understanding all the nuances. That's obviously a gross oversimplification but if I was to choose the number 1 reason that's my guess.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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post #31

I'm honestly more interested in studying the most ineffective founders. We spend too much time focusing on survivors, when I feel like the best learning comes from looking at failure. I'd be willing to be there's a lot of failed / failing companies out there doing the exact same thing as the "most effective founders", so what makes them different? I'd be interested to know.

Probably a good point.

Like that anecdote about the studying the WW2 planes that went down vs the ones that made it back to see where to add more armour.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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post #31

I'm honestly more interested in studying the most ineffective founders. We spend too much time focusing on survivors, when I feel like the best learning comes from looking at failure. I'd be willing to be there's a lot of failed / failing companies out there doing the exact same thing as the "most effective founders", so what makes them different? I'd be interested to know.

Simple science: you need a control group.

The whole "25 things that successful people do" completely ignores the entire question of whether unsuccessful people also do those things, and therefore whether those things have anything to do with success.

Survivor bias is so prevalent in any thinking about "what makes someone successful?" that yes, it would be much more effective at this point to consider "what makes someone unsuccessful".

I'm willing to bet that the things we consider to be signs of success are actually table-stakes, in that both successful and unsuccessful founders do them, and the thing that actually marks the difference between successful and unsuccessful founders is luck.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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Self help pablum for aspiring founders. I'll just highlight a couple of the ridiculous things in there. "Minimize unnecessary micromanagement". There's just a ton in there. First, micromanagement already has a negative connotation so recommending to minimize it rather than eliminate it is just an obnoxious hedge. Then it doubles down on recommending minimizing only "unnecessary" micromanagement. You just go right ahe…

I need a shower after reading this comment. This is HN cynicism at its worst. This article is pretty pro-worker; I’d have to do somersaults to twist it as being secretly in favor of negative boss behaviors like micromanagement.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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Don't "Protect the team from distractions." and "Invite disagreement." contradict a bit each other?

Can you expand further on why you think these are contradictions? In my book, you can actively have both. Protecting from distractions often means helping the team feel like they can say no to anything that isn't the most critical work. Inviting disagreement simply means that you tell your team you want dissenting opinions. For example, if you feel like the team is working on a few unnecessary projects, you can help…

There is obvious distractions. For a random SaaS: e.g., "Let's make our own coin on the blockchain" and there is obvious healthy disagreements. e.g., "Let's be very aggressive on pricing."

And I think it's already pretty obvious what to do.

But what it's difficult is always the grey area. "Let's support Bitcoin as payment gateway". And this two tenets become contradictory.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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post #31

I'm honestly more interested in studying the most ineffective founders. We spend too much time focusing on survivors, when I feel like the best learning comes from looking at failure. I'd be willing to be there's a lot of failed / failing companies out there doing the exact same thing as the "most effective founders", so what makes them different? I'd be interested to know.

Probably a good point. Like that anecdote about the studying the WW2 planes that went down vs the ones that made it back to see where to add more armour.

To be fair, in that anecdote you are extracting meaningful information just from observing the literal survivors, which sort of points in the opposite direction to the GP’s point.

I’d say examining survivors is useful and can provide information, but you need to be careful to correct for survivorship bias. But that’s not to say you cannot gain any information from examining cohorts of survivors.

I think most people probably under-correct for survivorship bias so it’s good general advice to highlight it.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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post #25
post #14

Self help pablum for aspiring founders. I'll just highlight a couple of the ridiculous things in there. "Minimize unnecessary micromanagement". There's just a ton in there. First, micromanagement already has a negative connotation so recommending to minimize it rather than eliminate it is just an obnoxious hedge. Then it doubles down on recommending minimizing only "unnecessary" micromanagement. You just go right ahe…

I was with you until you started with the credentialism stuff.

I agree. Google shouldn’t staff their positions based on who has the most PhDs.

Re: What we learned in studying the most effective founders

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I would have expected stuff like:

- expertise or at least competency related to the domain

- social currency, ability to influence/convince people

- stamina and fortitude

Most of the points in the very short article are about "don't be an asshole to your employees", which is certainly a good thing and what people should be doing. But I can think of quite a few outrageously successful founders who have been insufferable dickheads.

I think my second point above might be the single most important one. I have no data to back it up, but I feel like if you can just make people do what you want in some way or another (and that includes customers, workers, partners etc.) then you're set up for success. At least short or midterm (a few years).

I think this is a bad thing because it is quite arbitrary and stupid. I say that in a loving way. I wish we (humans) were not that dumb.

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