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Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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One thing I always felt was an anti-pattern was in any input where months are numbers they don't explicitly mention in an adjacent label the name of the month. Besides the US/UK order confusion, you'd be surprised how often people think August is the 7th month of the year.

I have to take off a shoe when it gets to the tail end months of the year.

Only two that don't fit on fingers, so you could leave your shoes on and count feet for November and December. :)

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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What really bothers me is that most of time when the date of birth is asked it is done as a way to determine some age criteria. The same could be achieved simply asking "are you older than N years old? [Yes] or [No]".

For example, I want to buy Quake on the Nintendo eShop. The website wants to know my age in order to show me a age restricted game. So it will always ask me the age same question even if I have already answered hundred of times. So does Steam and many other websites. Is this a by-product of some compliance or self-regulatory requirement like ESRB?

If not, it would make much more sense to just ask a yes/no question for the age criteria. Usually this argument is answered with "what about fraud?". Well, asking the birthday is no guarantee at all that the birthday is correct. It only adds friction.

As a small revenge I always use an absurdly old birth date on these forms. This way if they are collecting this data, my input will be discarded or pollute their datasets.

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to take off a shoe when it gets to the tail end months of the year.

Only two that don't fit on fingers, so you could leave your shoes on and count feet for November and December. :)

well well, I think you might be on to something. This is going to save me quite a lot of time, not to mention that I might be able to go back to wearing shoes with laces again and not having my productivity totally destroyed.

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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One thing I always felt was an anti-pattern was in any input where months are numbers they don't explicitly mention in an adjacent label the name of the month. Besides the US/UK order confusion, you'd be surprised how often people think August is the 7th month of the year.

There's an unspoken privilege in being born on a day beyond the 12th of any given month, because you'll get a validation error if you mix up the day and month in a form

I was born on December 9. The doctors wanted to do a C-section for my kid on December 9 but I said to my wife that my kid shouldn't have to share a birthday with me, so they scheduled for December 14 instead. This might have been a better argument than not wanting to share.

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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One thing I always felt was an anti-pattern was in any input where months are numbers they don't explicitly mention in an adjacent label the name of the month. Besides the US/UK order confusion, you'd be surprised how often people think August is the 7th month of the year.

I have, occasionally, thought that (for example) October = 8th month because it starts with "Octo".

Yes, I know, historically it was.

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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What really bothers me is that most of time when the date of birth is asked it is done as a way to determine some age criteria. The same could be achieved simply asking "are you older than N years old? [Yes] or [No]". For example, I want to buy Quake on the Nintendo eShop. The website wants to know my age in order to show me a age restricted game. So it will always ask me the age same question even if I have already…

I also enter an absurdly old date, and usually I'll try setting an impossible day/month combo like February 31st... sometimes it actually works!

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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The dozenade 2000-2012 will surely make many people confused and many badly designed UIs will let incorrect date to slip through. Myself have one date from this range on one of the documents and have to check twice every time I need to enter somewhere this date.

you're off by one, that's a trizenade

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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What really bothers me is that most of time when the date of birth is asked it is done as a way to determine some age criteria. The same could be achieved simply asking "are you older than N years old? [Yes] or [No]". For example, I want to buy Quake on the Nintendo eShop. The website wants to know my age in order to show me a age restricted game. So it will always ask me the age same question even if I have already…

> Is this a by-product of some compliance or self-regulatory requirement like ESRB?

Yes, Steam addressed this an announcement a few years ago:

> Q: Why do you KEEP asking my damn age throughout the store?

> A: We're with you on this. Unfortunately, many rating agencies have rules that stipulate that we cannot save your age for longer than a single browsing session. It's frustrating, but know we're filling out those age gates too.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail...

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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One thing I always felt was an anti-pattern was in any input where months are numbers they don't explicitly mention in an adjacent label the name of the month. Besides the US/UK order confusion, you'd be surprised how often people think August is the 7th month of the year.

I heard a standup with a very dark joke, something to the effect of, 9/11 had a silver lining because now he could remember what number month September was.

It took me years to figure out that 9/11 was not on the 9th November. I always wondered why there was no snow on the images of the incident. Americans and their correct date system...

Re: Asking for a date of birth (2013)

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It's 2022 and input=date should be used instead for date pickers on the Web. https://github.com/alphagov/govuk-design-system-backlog/issu...

author here, for known dates like date of birth it's still easier and faster to just type it in. Also type=date has accessibility problems and the design varies a lot, so people might get a decent experience on one browser/OS and a really poor one on another
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