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A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by colpabar »

secondcoming wrote: post #68
asimpletune wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he was ignored for promotion

By his friend who wasn't in the cult. Maybe I read it wrong?

from the medium article linked in other comments:

> Then, without warning or reason, I was fired. The person who actually gave me the decision didn’t know why they were doing it. They said they had no involvement in the decision. They asked me if I knew why I was being fired. I said “I assume you would know, right?” They didn’t. (A funny detail: The raise for that promotion I was given was processed after I was fired, so I received two last checks at the higher rate. Fired and promoted at the same time.)

> Even though Dan was not in my chain of supervisors, I’m convinced he helped to orchestrate my termination. I believe he saw me as an existential threat, to him, his colleagues and their jobs. The purported reasoning for my termination was an email I had sent requesting the retention of an editor, which was a completely normal business issue. In retrospect, it looks like Dan was looking for pretext to shuffle me off for some time before that.

edit: i might as well just link it here too https://medium.com/@kwilliamlloyd/the-cult-in-google-3c1a910...

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by throwawayiionqz »

frob wrote: post #65
thrownawayalre wrote: post #52

It is Google so it gets that much publicity which is good for that particular case because it will be investigated and sorted out. Sexual abuse and discrimination enablers will be investigated. Good. Too bad for the other large size company where similar things happen which won't get similar publicity and won't ever be investigated. Not working at GOOG, but I don't get the hate in the comments or the idea that it is…

Which other large size company? It sounds like you're referencing an event or issue at of of the other FAAGS--would you care to enlighten us?

Cisco vs California is one example with discrimination (no sexual abuse enabling here, though).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697083

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by secondcoming »

vaillant wrote: post #61
secondcoming wrote: post #37

It's not illegal to be in a cult. Maybe it's left out for legal reasons, but there's no suggestion in the article that they did bad anything at all to the author. Maybe he was afraid of the whiteness of it, or the allegedly rampant gay sex.

If you read the article, the cult's also been involved in what's arguably sex trafficking. The author wasn't personally harmed in a significant way but I don't see how that's relevant.

Why sue if you haven't been harmed?

"I was fired from my team there in February of 2021 because I raised alarm about a cult within Google, a group called the Fellowship of Friends. "

Sounds to me like he freaked out because he was working with weirdos, wanted 'someone to do something about it', and then wouldn't let it go.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by pessimizer »

RajT88 wrote: post #41
rajup wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Christianity started as a cult. Protestantism after it. (You are right of course, Brahmanism is not a cult, but my point is many mainstream religions at one point counted as such before they became well established as their own thing)

It's unfair to say Protestantism is a cult. It's actually 10,000 cults.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #69
ginko wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing the URL to a paywalled article no one can read isn't very helpful though.

Not to be picky, but everyone can read the article. They just have to pay. We have to support journalism some how.

Or, rather: https://web.archive.org/web/20220616142933/https://www.nytim...

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by skeeter2020 »

typon wrote: post #31
mcntsh wrote: post #13

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I used to dream about working at Google until I interviewed with them. I got dragged along for months and largely ignored between interviews. The interviews themselves were impersonal and non interactive. They gave the impression that I should just shut up and write code in front of them and when I asked clarifying questions I barely got anything in response.

Had a similar experience. The recruiting part of the process went pretty smoothly, until I got to the onsite. Had 5 on-site interviews (excluding lunch), all exactly the same format: walk in the room where my interviewer is waiting with a question written on the white board, they say "hello" to me and I'm expected to read the question, clarify it a little bit and start coding. Not a single interviewer cared about my…

>> and the feedback was that I need to practice my algorithms more.

I'm optimistic I will live long enough to see the death of this type of interview. Great gate-keeper question, easy to mark, next to zero signalling value as to ability to problem solve or program. Sigh...

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by tokai »

pvg wrote: post #62
tokai wrote: post #51

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If anything the NYtimes article is less original. The unions twitter thread and the linked medium post is closer to the story.

'Closer to the story' is not a virtue in this case because it's essentially one side of the story - without context and only from one of the parties in a multi-party dispute.

It's not about virtues of the link, it's about the rules. Don't lecture about onesided sources or whatever. It's beside the point.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by bell-cot »

ginko wrote: post #53
dang wrote: post #46

We changed the URL from https://twitter.com/alphabetworkers/status/15373969466917724... , which points to this. Submitters: " Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter. "- https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Commenters: please don't post shallow/unsubstantive/flamey things to this thread—or any HN thread, but this one seems to have been unu…

Changing the URL to a paywalled article no one can read isn't very helpful though.

's/no one can/no one with JS enabled can/'?
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