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Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Stocks rallying is just an indication that the Fed under-raised compared to market expectations.

Nah. This is always what happens. It's the inverse the old saw "buy on rumor sell on news".

You must be a billionaire then.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Mind you, I think the electric future s 15-30 years away, not 8-15 - but the lifetime of a refinery is 40-50 years. Thats the issue, it wont pay for itself on a conventional amortization schedule.

Disagree. We’re already past peak combustion vehicle sales per Bloomberg NEF, and the rate of EV sales will only increase based on operating costs versus combustion vehicles. Lots of folks interested in EVs when fuel is $5-6/gallon, which will remain for some time. Gotta scale up faster, build the machine that builds the machine and whatnot. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/new-analysis-suggests-we-have-p... https://abou…

Disagree. Those combustion vehicles are sticking around longer. Getting 15+ years out of a combustion vehicle is a piece of cake. They also have to be replaced. There is not going to be any where enough production capacity to replace all of those for a while. The early EVs will have shorter lives for one reason or another so the used market for those will suck for at least a decade. There is also going to be grid issues which will either out right prevent electric vehicle adoption or slow it. Sure, you might get to the point where few new vehicles are combustion in say 10 years, but the used market will be quite a different story.

Don't get me wrong. I WANT an EV, but there isn't one out there I would buy. No way am I getting a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year EV. I'm not going to be a beta tester. No way am I getting an EV with just touch screens. No way am I getting an EV which is a pain to maintain or repair.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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The Norway example is really annoying. It keeps coming back as an example to follow, when everybody knows it is a complete outlier that cannot be reproduced elsewhere. Norway is sitting on a gigantic pile of offshore gas that it uses to generate massive profits that go into a huge fund they don't know what to do with, all of that for a 5M population that drowns into social programs. There is literally no country in t…

> Yet, when you look at what Norway has actually produced over the past few decades in terms of innovation, companies, etc. the picture is very, very empty. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Most of what I've searched about the Nordic countries in terms of innovation seems to disagree with this assertion. https://voxeu.org/article/nordic-innovation-cuddly-capitalis... https://www.ft.com/content/e3c15066-cd7…

Norway is an outlier in terms of Nordic innovation due to its resource based economy.

If you look at your first link Norway is explicitly excluded. In the third link Norway is 20th while Sweden and Denmark are 2nd and 9th.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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No! And in fact most economists consider this to be an extremist fringe theory. A quick counterfactual here is, if the US's inflation is caused by its "money printing" (a term that is used quite loosely here, the vast majority of this money never makes it out to the general economy), then how does one explain the inflation experienced in other nations at the same time where no money was printed?

I don't think the stimulus being one of the drivers of inflation is an 'extremist fringe theory' at all. I thought the consensus was it was one of many factors, and the exact contribution of the different factors (stimulus, supply issues, etc) was up for debate. US inflation is higher than other wealthy nations and the US also did a larger stimulus. So there is evidence that the additional stimulus may have created g…

The UK didn't provide stimulus checks yet is experiencing higher inflation than the US.

Canada gave a lot more in stimulus checks (with respect to GDP) than the US but is experiencing less inflation than the US.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Why? That puts more of the tax burden on those with the least

No it doesn't. Those with less to spend also spend less. Contrary to popular belief, the so called utopias like Sweden, tax the poor at almost comparable rates as the rich.

Those who earn less pay less in income tax and we still had to implement a progressive taxation policy because of how much a flat tax percentage hurts those without disposable income compared to the wealthy.

The poor already spend all their money on necessities. If you go to a flat sales tax it will hurt them more than the current progressive regime and favor the wealthy.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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The M1 jump is not new money for the most part, it's a reclassification of things that used to be M2 as also being M1 (liquid) https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/05/savings-are-now-more... M2 increased in 2020, but not by as much as you're saying https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

Thanks for sharing. I never knew that. The post says savings accounts were moved into M1 because they're pretty liquid now. But what was the real rationale or implications? Odd time to do that move (April 24, 2020)

It was because in April 2020 Regulation D was amended to remove the six-transfer-per-month rule. The idea is that COVID may force people to make withdrawals from savings account more often so banks could allow frequent withdrawals from savings accounts, making them more liquid. It's not a coincidence that after the Fed suspended the rule they reclassified savings account as M1.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/supervisionreg/caletters/calt...

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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A much greater proportion of this inflation is due to supply side shocks, and very little (if any at all) has to do with QE. COVID simultaneously destroyed supply chains while shifting consumer from spending on services to spending on goods which, by the laws of supply and demand, meant prices for goods went up: inflation. Energy and locomotion are core aspects of the US economy that factor into just about everything…

While supply chain problems were real during the pandemic, especially w.r.t. automobiles, QE is by far the driving force of our current economic situation. Here is some data to put your talking point into context. Look at the recent production some of the items being severely impacted by inflation. Now look up their price charts (you can use February before Putin invaded Ukraine to eliminate another variable). Wheat:…

You’ve said QE is the cause, but provide no evidence to back up these claims. Considering QE occurred multiple times after the 08 crisis, what makes this time different? Bold claims without much substance.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

It actually may not be, when you enter a recession you can fall into an equity trap where everyone starts hoarding money and it further plummets the economy

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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post #497

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While supply chain problems were real during the pandemic, especially w.r.t. automobiles, QE is by far the driving force of our current economic situation. Here is some data to put your talking point into context. Look at the recent production some of the items being severely impacted by inflation. Now look up their price charts (you can use February before Putin invaded Ukraine to eliminate another variable). Wheat:…

You’ve said QE is the cause, but provide no evidence to back up these claims. Considering QE occurred multiple times after the 08 crisis, what makes this time different? Bold claims without much substance.

Perhaps I struggle to articulate this clearly because it seems so obvious.

If there are 3 potential logical causes being discussed (QE, reduction in supply of commodities due to covid, and reduction in supply of fossil fuels from Russia since the invasion of Ukraine), and I provide data that suggests that 2 of them could not be significantly responsible, that leaves only one.

The difference is the magnitude. Never before in US history has the government expanded the M2 money supply by ~20% in a matter of a few weeks. This is the chart that sums it up [0]. That was significantly by direct cash injection/expansion of the Fed's balance sheet. Combined with ultra low interest rates (also the most significant in US history) and the elimination of the reserve requirement, M2 has been growing at an incredible rate ever since. When you have 1 gold bar worth of value in an economy and 100 dollars, a gold bar is worth $100. If you print 20 more dollars, well, that gold bar will soon be worth $120, and not because the inherent value or usefulness of the gold bar changed.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WM2NS

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#500
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The returns that capital demands (and the government obliges to) are ultimately unsustainable. That's the core problem here. Rising wages? There has been no meaningful real increase in wages in 40 years despite a massive increase in productivity. Profits keep going up and up. The expectations for profits keep going up. The problem here is that the people who make companies possible don't get to share in the proceeds…

Productivity has risen, but it isn't a tide tide that raises all boats. Look at what has boomed since the 70s, finance and tech. Finance because markets were liberalized and the economy financialized. They are at the junction where capital gets allocated in the economy, so they are able to take rents on all the capital that flows through them. The more money moving around the more they slurp up. Tech is where the lions share of productivity was created. All of the huge tech companies are able to leverage the internet to reach a market way larger than any physical store could before. A software development team is automating the workflow that would have gone to physical store employees running a Sears or whatever, a company manufactures a machine that does the work of 5 people 10 times faster, etc. That is why they get paid so much.

Meanwhile the rest of the economy de-industrialized, manufacturing jobs became more scarce because technology increased productivity, whatever was too labor cost intensive went overseas, and whatever jobs couldn't be offshored, retail and service jobs, aren't capable of having the same productivity gains as what was happening in tech. There are pretty hard limits to what restaurant staff, or retail employees, or other regular jobs can do to become more productive. That is why their wages are stagnant, the only reason those jobs exist is because they can't be exported, in some places they even import foreign workers to do those jobs to keep wages low. This is why unions fell out of favor, labor has no leverage anymore since their jobs can just be exported, or they cant but they are low skill jobs so employers can just churn people or grab import immigrants to do it because employees are nothing more than cogs in a machine that Amazon hasn't figured out how to automate yet.

Keep in mind that this is all by design, capital was liberalized, economies globalized, college loans guaranteed, nimbys limiting development in real estate and energy, these were all policies that people wanted and politicians enacted, whether or not they were fully aware of the second order consequences which are why things feel so messed up now.

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