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Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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I'm Muslim, I know where OP is coming from, but...the HN thread where people vigorously debated whether the idea of interacting with people they might eventually have romantic interest in is "American" is a top 10 HN moment for me, and I've been here 14 years.

I'm interacting with you now. Are we on a date? Dating is a ritual interaction, it's not just term for any interaction. A tell that it is new is that the name is meaningless; it's just a term for an appointment that got wrapped up in a bunch of connotations that became denotations. Also see "go out" or "go with."

No, a comment reply isn't a date: i.e. not a interaction that signals you have continued proactive interest in me

Ask me to some in person interaction and it becomes ambiguous.

Alternatively, replying to me often and making flattering comments.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Controversial opinion: The concept of a 'date' is an american romantic film import for a lot of other cultures. If I go back 10 years in my home country any woman would shut down your conversation if you asked her on a _one-on-one_ 'date', the implication alone would question her 'virtue'/intentions. One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. I hon…

Dating in the west almost feels like an interview these days, at least in the Bay Area. “So where do you see yourself in 5-10 years”? What’s next, you going to ask me to invert a binary tree?

Only in cities that are full of vanity and thus the induced anxiety? Before coming to the US, I thought a good thing about the US was that people to compare their status with other people (maybe secretly, or so I read), as everyone has their own definition of happiness. Those who are so obsessed with where they are go into the movies like American Psycho, in particular the role played by Christian Bale. Many areas are still like what I thought, but places like the Bay Area seem have changed a lot.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Porn is nothing like actual sex. Even fetish stuff depicted in porn is usually nothing like actual fetish stuff in actual sex (among people into that). I do worry about easy access to porn and young people growing up thinking it even slightly represents reality.

I met a 15 year old through an at-risk mentoring program years ago. He told me he got a $20 Visa gift card for his birthday, but he spent it all on a "cam girl." That shook me. Kids should not be viewing, making, paying for, or even really hear about pornography. Finding a playboy in the treehouse was one thing, but the internet has made it so easy for literally anyone, of any age, to view pornography. I think that h…

The sooner we realize as a society that behavior impacts outcomes, and seriously believe that it is the key driver. The sooner we will have an equitable society.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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I think location is important. In D.C. or N.Y. it's completely normal to meet people dancing to a drum circle in the park, or join people in acro-yoga, slack-lining, bocce ball or whatever. There's a visceral feeling of inclusivity and positive vibes. In my home town of Dallas, Texas, you're looked at with suspicion if you approach strangers at a park. And unlike the picture I depicted above, small friend groups clus…

>In D.C. or N.Y. it's completely normal to meet people dancing to a drum circle in the park, or join people in acro-yoga, slack-lining, bocce ball or whatever. There's a visceral feeling of inclusivity and positive vibes. >In my home town of Dallas, Texas, you're looked at with suspicion if you approach strangers at a park. I'll admit to no particular experience in any of these cities but that does not exactly compor…

> I'll admit to no particular experience in any of these cities but that does not exactly comport with their reputations.

Most of the complaints re N.Y. I have seen are from people who visit and then appalled when strangers respond with negativity in response to the visitor's lack of courtesy. I can't count the number of times I've seen someone be appalled at a gruff response in line at the bagel shop; however, when there's a line wrapping around the block, and staff are running around at full speed to keep up with demand, that's just not the time to ask "so, what all have you got planned today? doing anything, uh, interesting?"

I don't know how common negative sentiment is towards D.C., but my experience is that people are friendly and outgoing. You pretty much have to be outgoing by necessity -- the demographic is incredibly transient, so people are constantly being exposed to strangers, and as someone moving to D.C you need to be outgoing if you don't want to be alone.

And as for Dallas, it's an incredibly common sentiment (within the numerous Meetup groups I'm a member of) that most people in Dallas (and the greater DFW area) are pretty standoffish and cliquish. Part of the love for Meetup is that it self selects for people that aren't content with being born in Dallas, making some life long friends here in elementary school, and then forever pushing away anyone else that isn't already a friend or a friend of a friend.

> I'm pretty sure that's how it's always been. Either way, when the most exciting thing you could do at home alone was read a book people just did these things because they didn't want to be bored out of their minds. Friendships naturally followed from those shared activities. IMHO, that's part of the problem today. At home entertainment is pretty compelling and it's easy to get sucked into things like WoW but those don't tend to help you build a life like going out and doing stuff does.

But this isn't a dichotomy where the two options are planned, structured events or staying cooped up in your domicile, and I'm definitely not promoting the latter.

My point is that different cities are more (or less) open to spontaneous interaction with people you don't already know without necessarily requiring some sense of explicit attendance or membership.

My experience outside of Dallas, Texas:

- Go out to grab a drink, expecting to hit it off with one or more people at the bar. On the way, crack a joke with a passerby, chat for a bit, propose we all go to the dance club a couple blocks down the street. Have an awesome night talking, dancing and ending the night with some pizza around the corner.

- Pass some guys walking down the street, they seem like a fun group of friends so we shoot the shit; they invite me to bar hop with them. We're all on the same wave length, and the bromance is 100%. We're in Durham as the Duke students are coming back, so it's a super lively night. Live music just starts at the first bar, and the group of us are the first to start dancing, prompting the rest of the students to join in. Super fun night.

- Go to the park and see a bunch of people slack-lining. Ask if I can join in. Ditto with the people doing acro yoga. The majority of people didn't previously know each other, so I'm not perceived as some weirdo interrupting some friends.

And I could go on. My point here is that there exist other ways to meet people than showing up to some contrived event that was constructed specifically to connect people together. You could, instead, meet people organically going about your life: on the street, at the grocery store, at the pub, at the coffee shop, in the park, etc. The culture of the city/state you live in will then determine whether this is an option for you, or if people will blow you off.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Everyone needs to make sure you are beyond gainfully employed so they can live some semblance of a normal life if you both decide to stick around the bay.

https://faangshaadi.com/ I want to believe it's satire, but then there's Poe's Law...

It's satire. Click on the disclaimer on the bottom right

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Yeah, but in general it's not enough to impact having 2 kids. If getting pregnant for the first time at 30, you could wait the recommended 18 months between kids and still have two without it being a geriatric pregnancy. You don't need to start at 18 to have 2 kids.

That's not how pregnancy works. It can take quite a while to get pregnant. it's a bell curve. Certainly, a lot of couples will have another, but if you want to have another with a good chance of success (>90%), you have to start younger.

Where did you get that number? Under 35 still has a reasonably high chance of success. It's really after 35 that risks go up and likelihood goes down.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Yeah, in my view, going on a date means going out to in a one-on-one format. Going to each others' house is just normal friend stuff, with the only difference from hanging out with my same-sex friends being sexual activity.

I can only say that round these parts, dates are not defined such, and are not at all about consumption.

Who knows what does it mean exactly for participants? :)

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Honestly there's not much to worry about a "skill-gap" either. It's cliche but being the true and authentic version of yourself (and being self-aware if you need to make improvements on that version of yourself - your authentic self can't be a jerk) is the best way to make both friends and romantic partners. Maybe it's different for hookups, but IMHO romantic relationships don't work like they do in the movies.

>and being self-aware if you need to make improvements on that version of yourself - your authentic self can't be a jerk So, you need to be yourself... but you actually don't.

No, you need to be yourself, and recognize that sometimes you need to make yourself better. Not lie about being better, but actually get better.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Mens value in the dating marketplace goes up over time. If you are relatively sane, sober and employed around 28, mother nature helps you out with her biological alarm clock. Keep your head up, it's going to get easier from here on out.

As someone who did get older and went through this - it does not get better. Your hair doesn’t suddenly get thicker. The pounds don’t suddenly become easier to keep off. Your skin doesn’t tighten. Your complexion doesn’t smoothen out. It gets worse. This is just copium we give to men to make them think it gets better. The stats show that it doesn’t get better . If you’re single now and have never been on a date - the…

Sorry. You appear to be in the subset where it didn't get better.

For many men, it works the other way. You become smarter. More confident. More emotionally, psychologically, and financially stable. All those make you more attractive. Your prospective partners are the same. Everybody has more experience, and doesn't freak out and act self-destructively like they did when they were 23. People are more aware of what a relationship entails.

Simply, relationships are just more pleasing.

At least for some subset of those growing older.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Dating in the west almost feels like an interview these days, at least in the Bay Area. “So where do you see yourself in 5-10 years”? What’s next, you going to ask me to invert a binary tree?

I mean, making a woman truly happy will be more challenging than inverting binary trees anyway.

Thinking you can make another person happy is a grave mistake.
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