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Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Post by bpodgursky »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #123
bpodgursky wrote: post #60

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These are fairly different arguments. Japan's working hours are traditionally brutal - 12 hours a day, 6-7 days a week. Plus mandatory "happy" hours. It's often a financially comfortable life; but there's 0 flexibility to find an employer that allows a 9-5 workday, even if you're willing to take a pay cut. Elon is saying that high-paid professionals in the US have fewer children than the lower-middle class, which is…

> Doctors, lawyers, and engineers are far below replacement fertility. If you really want a "fun" way to look at it, find an IQ vs. fertility rate chart. Only IQs of 80 and lower are above replacement.

Obviously true, but I had a chat with Kolmogorov and he gave some tips on how to reframe it into a politically acceptable version.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Post by therusskiy »

30 y.o. male, (ex-)Russia.

First time I went on a date I was 23 years old. Before that with all the studying and work I had no time whatsoever for any kind of a relationship.

Some people on this thread bring up that dating let's you develop a skill. In my experience dating is pretty easy if your goal is a long-term relationship, you just need to be yourself. If the other person likes you for who you are and not appear to be it's a very good sign. It is also incredibly easy being yourself, less mental gymnastics. If you are after casual hookups... Here you do need a skill (unless nature gifted you with good looks). I suck incredibly hard at this.

Another thing is that once girls get older (25+?) they start to value other things, so all these hookups you missed in your younger years don't matter that much.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

dymk wrote: post #133
SapporoChris wrote: post #119

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I cannot find any sources where the government is freaking out. Can you provide some sources? I did find instances of working condition reforms and incentives. https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Five-things-to-know-about-Ja... https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/Tokyo%E2%... https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/events/pdf... As to your question: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/unite…

JP governments are exploring drastic options to incentivize people settling down and having kids. Tokyo is considering 100k JPY per year per kid. I’d say that looks like the government version of “freaking out”. Approx ~10k~ 1k USD per year is ~probably~ deffo not going to be enough, though.

>100k JPY per year per kid

>Approx 10k USD per year

100k JPY is 742 dollars. Which of the two numbers did you fuddle?

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Post by thematrixturtle »

dymk wrote: post #133
SapporoChris wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot find any sources where the government is freaking out. Can you provide some sources? I did find instances of working condition reforms and incentives. https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Five-things-to-know-about-Ja... https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/Tokyo%E2%... https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/events/pdf... As to your question: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/unite…

JP governments are exploring drastic options to incentivize people settling down and having kids. Tokyo is considering 100k JPY per year per kid. I’d say that looks like the government version of “freaking out”. Approx ~10k~ 1k USD per year is ~probably~ deffo not going to be enough, though.

Are you missing a zero? 100k JPY is only 1000 USD.

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Post by SubiculumCode »

lurquer wrote: post #93
didip wrote: post #43

The government and the media keep freaking out about birth rate declining but made no attempts in fixing the poor working conditions in Japan. Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life?

> Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life? Apparently most of humanity for most of recorded history. 20-something males (in Japan and, to an increasing degree in the US) are not foregoing dating and marriage due to ‘working conditions.’ The reasons are, regrettably, more complex. Indeed, in the current state we’re in, giving young men more leisure time and money would undoubtedly resul…

pron, vrpron, games, online chat, job. about sums it up.

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Post by otterley »

anon291 wrote: post #149
otterley wrote: post #136

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This is a bullshit theory with zero evidence or science behind it. I’m on my second marriage now, am about as far from a virgin as the earth is from the sun, and I’m as happy as can be and utterly devoted to and blissfully in love with my wife. Listen, I know you’re probably having difficulty finding a romantic relationship and I know how demoralizing and depressing that can be. I’ve been there - my teens and twentie…

> I’m on my second marriage now I think you're unknowingly proving his point.

Other than the legal and financial ramifications, it’s not significantly different than any other breakup of a relationship due to poor fit. Don’t read into it too much.

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Post by anon291 »

rpmisms wrote: post #137
dudul wrote: post #121

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Getting coffee is a date. Sorry to break your special bubble, you guys dated:)

I get coffee with friends and coworkers too.

Happily married man here. I go to dinner one on one with my guy friends. That doesn't mean taking my wife out to dinner is not a date? Doing 'dating' things with friends is totally normal. It's a 'date' when you're doing it with someone you might marry.

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Post by doliveira »

sbf501 wrote: post #113
willcipriano wrote: post #76

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Ideology gets in the way of truth on this one. One side doesn't want to admit that a lot of poor people have a good bit of free time available to them, particularly those who receive social services. The other side doesn't want to admit that middle class and up folks have been working long hours at a cost to their personal lives and development, that isn't new, but now both mom and dad are doing it and households are…

You get the award for most subtle attempt at rephrasing the "welfare queen" myth I've heard in a few years.

I mean, it wasn't that subtle, but yeah, subtle enough just for distraction.

I don't know how the situation is in the USA, but in Brazil we have the myth of mothers having 10 children just to get more money for each child.

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Post by rokhayakebe »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #68

Controversial opinion: The concept of a 'date' is an american romantic film import for a lot of other cultures. If I go back 10 years in my home country any woman would shut down your conversation if you asked her on a _one-on-one_ 'date', the implication alone would question her 'virtue'/intentions. One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. I hon…

There is some truth to this statement. You could be "dating," but you are not about to pick someone and go to a restaurant or movie alone.
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