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Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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Interesting that 27.3% of women have a lover, but 19.1% of men do. Does that mean more lesbian activity or perhaps successful men taking more than one female? Any thoughts on this discrepancy?

Research hypergamy. It's a pretty well-established phenomenon across generations.

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#92

Controversial opinion: The concept of a 'date' is an american romantic film import for a lot of other cultures. If I go back 10 years in my home country any woman would shut down your conversation if you asked her on a _one-on-one_ 'date', the implication alone would question her 'virtue'/intentions. One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. I hon…

I think you can say it's more "western" concept than American because the same concept exists in European countries also.

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The government and the media keep freaking out about birth rate declining but made no attempts in fixing the poor working conditions in Japan. Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life?

> Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life?

Apparently most of humanity for most of recorded history.

20-something males (in Japan and, to an increasing degree in the US) are not foregoing dating and marriage due to ‘working conditions.’ The reasons are, regrettably, more complex. Indeed, in the current state we’re in, giving young men more leisure time and money would undoubtedly result in more hours spent playing with their new phones.

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I'm 22 and have never been on a date or anything resembling one. I'm not too worried about it, though the potential "skill gap" (for lack of a better word) with future partners does concern me a bit I have to admit.

You should go on a date, just for kicks. Buck the trend.

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#95

Interesting that 27.3% of women have a lover, but 19.1% of men do. Does that mean more lesbian activity or perhaps successful men taking more than one female? Any thoughts on this discrepancy?

Roughly the same discrepancy exists in those reporting they have a spouse (13.6% to 19.8%). Since I don't think polygamy is legal in Japan, this is likely an artifact of the fact they're only asking people in their 20s, and women in marriages and "lover" arrangements tend to be younger than the man.

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I'm 22 and have never been on a date or anything resembling one. I'm not too worried about it, though the potential "skill gap" (for lack of a better word) with future partners does concern me a bit I have to admit.

Why? Are you afraid of rejection? Do you have problem making relationships with people you want to date?

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Controversial opinion: The concept of a 'date' is an american romantic film import for a lot of other cultures. If I go back 10 years in my home country any woman would shut down your conversation if you asked her on a _one-on-one_ 'date', the implication alone would question her 'virtue'/intentions. One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. I hon…

It may be an American import in your country, but dating has been popular in many countries and almost entire western world throughout last century.

For example, I come from Poland and one on one dating has been hugely popular throughout Poland even while it was part of Soviet bloc, even though American culture was all but banned here.

And in many countries you get only local culture and "American import" in the form of movies and music.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are fairly different arguments. Japan's working hours are traditionally brutal - 12 hours a day, 6-7 days a week. Plus mandatory "happy" hours. It's often a financially comfortable life; but there's 0 flexibility to find an employer that allows a 9-5 workday, even if you're willing to take a pay cut. Elon is saying that high-paid professionals in the US have fewer children than the lower-middle class, which is…

That seems to be missing that many of those highly-paid professionals were not highly paid in their peak fertile years. Engineers maybe, but doctors and lawyers tend to spend many years in school and then interning. If you start having kids at 30, you'll usually end up with fewer total kids than if you had started at 20. The most highly paid engineers are likely those willing and able to relocate frequently, too, whi…

Having known many people who went through medical school and residency, I'm confident almost none of them would have accelerated their family plans with more money. Medical residents who work 80 hour weeks simply have less than 0 time to start a family.

(And in fact, of the very few who did, it is always when the husband was a resident and the wife stay-at-home or a different career. In these cases, the finances were not a huge constraint; if nothing else, it is extremely easy to take on cheap debt as a resident.)

I can't speak as confidently to lawyers and interning, but I'd be surprised if the dynamic was different.

Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey

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post #43

The government and the media keep freaking out about birth rate declining but made no attempts in fixing the poor working conditions in Japan. Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life?

> The government and the media keep freaking out about birth rate declining but made no attempts in fixing the poor working conditions in Japan.

I think the next century revelation will be that you should focus on individual growth rather than population growth. In our tech-oriented economy, it matters more that you have quality technology rather than quantitative production.

> Who wants to date, marry, or have kids if you can barely live your life?

Apparently, most of Africa.

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#100
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am married, never dated in the normal sense. Met a girl, spent time doing normal things with her, we decided we got along well enough to get married. Coming up on three years, seems to work pretty well.

Doing normal things together is dating. Maybe I am missing your point. But if you ever went out to dinner together, or lunch, or walked in the park, those are dates.

I mean extremely normal things, like grocery shopping, getting coffee in the morning before work, things that would be considered at best poor date ideas by most of the women I know. Sure, it fits the definition of dating, technically.
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