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Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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As long as fiat currency keeps getting pumped out, people will want something else, more scarce, to hold their wealth in. That could be bonds, gold, stocks, real estate, or why not crypto? Crypto is easy to transfer.

Because it doesn't seem like Crypto is a good inflation hedge. If you're worried about inflation from unwise increases in the fiat money supply, then it seems like you want something with intrinsic value (real estate, other tangible assets, inflation protected bonds, etc), but crypto is the opposite of that. It's too volatile to be an actual currency so what is it exactly other than a purely speculative asset?

Nothing has intrinsic value. All value comes from subjective interpretation of what is valuable.

Assets with a cash flow have something you can calculate by discounting future income. But at what rate? The market rate? Some people have a higher time preference compared to the market rate, while others have a lower one. In any case, that preference is not negative as in the EU. Nobody wants to receive money later instead of now.

"Other tangible assets" are also a risky bet. Oil hit a negative price in 2020. If supply adjusts to demand, prices should go down as technology makes it cheaper and cheaper to produce things.

Even food is subjective. You can eat for optimal health, but few people are doing that, and instead eat much too much meat. Meat requires much more land per gram of protein.

What happens if people stop SUBJECTIVELY choosing branded sugar water? Coca Cola goes down, which is what "value" investor Warren Buffett owns as 6.71% of Berkshire.

https://whalewisdom.com/filer/berkshire-hathaway-inc#tabhold...

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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Most people will have worked on laptops that have the software installed that allows them to completely brick the device. It just makes me wonder what they'll be doing with 1000+ laptops and other devices. Do they expect people to send it back? Probably yes. I'd personally just declare: "I have low money and I had to fire your laptop service, thanks for the work of getting it to me, I'll be keeping it now." I mean, t…

> I'd personally just declare: "I have low money and I had to fire your laptop service, thanks for the work of getting it to me, I'll be keeping it now." I think you could then expect a knock on your door from a couple of police officers. [1] 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice/comments/v9acuq/l...

I think you could then count on the expectation that, as they say, 'not a jury in the land'...

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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If Armstrong was the sole CTO, COO, CPO, CLO, designer, marketer, advertiser, programmer, and researcher, then yes, all money should go to him. But Coinbase was made what it is by many people, the majority of which have nothing close to wealth Armstrong enjoys. Why shouldn’t those people be given money? I agree there should be some incentive for entrepreneurs and the people who make “the business side” work, but does…

This is the most fundamental tenant of capitalism. The output is perpetually distributed according to initial risk taken, not according to amount of day-to-day work performed. The property of capital is that it keeps growing (more or less) effortlessly. So you just need to capture initial capital and pay employees only returns from capital , not the capital itself. Fun fact: Bill Gates has made vastly more money just…

The most fundamental tenet of capitalism. Capitalism's most fundamental tenant, on the other hand, is probably Starbucks.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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With the context of what wealth inequality is doing to society and what political power raw money brings to people, I posit there is a line where it is wrong.

Bezos is probably the most unpopular person in Washington. We don't have a president Bloomberg. I submit to you that you are vastly overestimating the amount of political power having money automatically brings someone.

Powerful people have long weaponised self-deprecation as a means of letting off steam and blunting more serious attacks. (That theme is elaborated very well in the LRB here: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n14/jonathan-coe/sinking....) Michael Bloomberg is actually a great example, in how his campaign relied so heavily on irony and self-deprecation to defuse the (anticipated) discomfort around electing an old white billionaire.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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youre right they make money off volume, not price. but volume surges when price goes up and dries up when prices go down. (aka crypto winter)

They make money on price too. They have a % fee, so their dollar-denominated revenue for a given trade with the same # of coins but 50% lower dollar-denominated exchange rate is still 50% lower. They pay people in fiat currency, their expenses are denominated in fiat currency. It doesn't matter if they traded 1M bitcoins daily 6 month ago and still trade 1M daily today, their dollar-denominated fees on that trade has…

happy to be proven wrong but i think most investors say “i have 10k, i want to buy as much bitcoin as that buys me.”

rather than “i wanna buy 1 bitcoin, regardless of price”.

atleast that’s how i think of things. in terms of dollars invested. not coins desired.

same with stocks. i say i wanna 5k in Coke stock, not 121 shares.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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They make money on price too. They have a % fee, so their dollar-denominated revenue for a given trade with the same # of coins but 50% lower dollar-denominated exchange rate is still 50% lower. They pay people in fiat currency, their expenses are denominated in fiat currency. It doesn't matter if they traded 1M bitcoins daily 6 month ago and still trade 1M daily today, their dollar-denominated fees on that trade has…

happy to be proven wrong but i think most investors say “i have 10k, i want to buy as much bitcoin as that buys me.” rather than “i wanna buy 1 bitcoin, regardless of price”. atleast that’s how i think of things. in terms of dollars invested. not coins desired. same with stocks. i say i wanna 5k in Coke stock, not 121 shares.

Yes, you're not completely wrong, but there will be fewer people saying "I have $10k." In the current market conditions.

That's only part of the trading though. Volatility isn't measured in that way either, so as volatility goes down-- or stays the same as coin prices go down-- Coinbase still loses money. It's usually measure in the % of the coin traded. So volatility could remain stable at, say, 2% but when the dollar denominated market cap is 50% lower than it was 6 months ago then Coinbase is collecting 50% less in fees. In order for revenue to remain the same, volatility would have to double.

People that had $10k invested already and kept it in the market now have much less than $10k. They may still have 10 ETH depending on when they bought in, but when they trade those ETH Coinbase is making 75% lower in fees than if they traded them 12 months ago.

Coinbase simply cannot make the same revenue in dollar denominated fees when the dollar denominated value of those trades goes down, and it has gone down a lot.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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It feels weird I’d have to pay anyone just for owning something. Besides, how would you price private companies? Are those just going to be free?

It only feels weird because there is a concerted effort to make you feel that way. It is absolutely identical to property taxes on homes, but that doesn't make people feel icky in the same manner.

> It is absolutely identical to property taxes on homes

Not quite. I can see what I’m getting back from the city for the property taxes on my home (or on my office).

It’s less clear to me what the city or government contributes to my company. I’m more inclined to say that its existence is a public service.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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It feels weird I’d have to pay anyone just for owning something. Besides, how would you price private companies? Are those just going to be free?

Why is that any weirder than expecting to get paid just for owning stuff?

Why would you get paid for owning stuff? Are you talking about dividents?

I think that’s more being paid for having given someone a whole bunch of money up front, that they can now use to more quickly earn enough money to pay you (loan in a different name).

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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Absolutely. Let's say I earn over the threshold, and I can now either choose to continue to try and innovate and add value to society, or retire to a private island and just become a carbon contributor, I mean, why work myself into the ground if I can no longer benefit? Most people have assets not liquidity too, so it's like saying, if you own too much, you have to stop. Well, what if Elon stopped and we reverted bac…

I mean, why work myself into the ground if I can no longer benefit? That's a good question for the current situation -- why does Bezos still go to work? Once you have $100B, what tangible benefit do you get from more? Surely he's not doing it for the money, another $1B, or even $100B isn't going to change his lifestyle.

The same thing can be said for my $100k. I hardly need more to live. Why am I striving for more?

It’s not like my increasing savings bring me any material benefit.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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The US.

In Europe you have guaranteed minimum wage, can't be fired without good reason, healthcare, all sorts of other help if you lose your job, public transport/cheap means of getting around. It's not even close for the typical worker.

Its difficult to compare because the cultures and industries are completely different. Im not even sure what a typical worker means anymore - what category are you talking about?

More risk in US but also more opportunities.

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