James Clerk Maxwell united electricity and magnetism with a pen and paper. Einstein discovered special and general relativity in the same way. Has theoretical physics advanced enough now that such pen and paper discoveries are all but over, and the only way to continue making progress is to dedicate an ever larger share of the global economy's productive capacity to building larger and more expensive experiments? Wha…
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Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
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Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#22Wasn’t there an article a week ago about a new particle found “on a tabletop”? Feels like I'm being hustled.
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#23James Clerk Maxwell united electricity and magnetism with a pen and paper. Einstein discovered special and general relativity in the same way. Has theoretical physics advanced enough now that such pen and paper discoveries are all but over, and the only way to continue making progress is to dedicate an ever larger share of the global economy's productive capacity to building larger and more expensive experiments? Wha…
They had tabletop experiments (and telescope observations) that gave them the clues they needed
A lot of XX century physics was done in tabletop conditions (in the 19xx) with danger to the experimentalists. Also climbing mountains and capturing cosmic rays with photographic film
We might still have something hidden but most of the low-hanging fruit was discovered already.
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#24I only have an amateur interest in physics, so I'm sorry if this sounds dumb, but I often think about what if we've reached as far as we can go within the current framework of physics? This is more meta-science than actual science, but what if we made some decisions very early in the development of physics and mathematics and we need to revisit those?
Perhaps one such decision is that matter is fundamental. There are increasingly substantial cases being made that this is now holding us back in physics, and that we need to consider that consciousness is fundamental, and matter is only a consequence of it. See, for example Hoffman's The Case Against Reality.
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#25I only have an amateur interest in physics, so I'm sorry if this sounds dumb, but I often think about what if we've reached as far as we can go within the current framework of physics? This is more meta-science than actual science, but what if we made some decisions very early in the development of physics and mathematics and we need to revisit those?
If there are no individual things, as quantum field theory seems to suggest, what are numbers counting?
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#26I only have an amateur interest in physics, so I'm sorry if this sounds dumb, but I often think about what if we've reached as far as we can go within the current framework of physics? This is more meta-science than actual science, but what if we made some decisions very early in the development of physics and mathematics and we need to revisit those?
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#27Maybe there's something they haven't found because there's so much data? Mix things up and look again? Change assumptions?
Or as someone I know likes to say to various smaller humans: have you looked around the couch? Really? Are you sure? Have you had a good look? this is how the tv remote usually subsequently reappears as there is a difference between just looking and having a good look.
The best science also happens when you've looked, not found it but now know where not to look. Even better science happens when you know exactly why it shouldn't have been there at all. Surprising science happens when you find the errors in your assumptions and discover it can sometimes be where it previously was not expected to be.
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#28This is science. This is how it works. Maybe there's nothing else to discover, maybe it will take us 100 years, we don't know, that's why it's called research.
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#29Why would this be a nightmare, isn't this good? They know they're going down the wrong path and can probably correct?
Re: Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
#30Oh jesus christ, the constant whining! This is science. This is how it works. Maybe there's nothing else to discover, maybe it will take us 100 years, we don't know, that's why it's called research.
At what price?