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Infants' sense of pain is recognized, finally (1987)

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What is considered to be the best treatment for apnea these days? Is it ESP, or something else? Besides CPAP of course.

Losing weight.

My wife has sleep apnea and her BMI is 19. So, not necessarily.

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That's only if your weight is the cause.

"Some 60–90% of adults with OSA are overweight" https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/31/Supplement_2/S3...

I don't see your point. Obviously, some of those folks are just technically overweight - BMI at 25 - and aren't going to get as much help even though most of us picture obesity when looking at this. And that still leaves 10-40% that aren't and still have OSA.

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This is, I believe, one of the downsides of empiricism and the fixation on citation rather than observation and reason. The idea that a whole profession came to reject the idea that infants are able to feel pain is astonishing, especially considering anyone who has ever taken care of infants knows that these little human beings react to things which are known to be painful. Babies feeling pain is something that shoul…

“Babies feeling pain is something that should be self-evident, shouldn't it?” I have yet to understand the historical underpinnings of this phenomenon, but as someone who deals with chronic pain, doctors don’t seem to be aware that people feel pain _in general_. I’m being sort of facetious, but any chronic pain community is full to the brim with stories of various medical professionals being skeptical of patients’ pa…

My cynical explanation is that babies don't vote

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Is this a real cause for concern? I don't really know how abortions are performed, but doesn't the fetus die quickly? I imagine that once it's "unplugged", depending on its age, it's seconds to a minute from death.

You should look into the details of how abortions are performed and what the process entails.

I couldn't find anything relevant regarding my question.

If you have a source, please post it.

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It’s because people lie for many reasons. So? The first response should always be to take folks seriously. Always. Even if they are really searching for opioids. No doctor should assume folks are lying upfront. Even if that means that a couple people are getting off work when they don't need it. And I'd much rather have a disability system that occasionally gives the wrong people benefits than to withhold benefits fr…

Spitballing, but maybe the problem is that no doctors wants to be the guy in town who's the most generous with opioid prescriptions, as then he'll get swamped by people seeking opioids? People who look at the statistics after that, finding our doctor prescribing a significant amount of all opioids in the community, are liable to think that he's some sort of unscrupulous stooge of a pharmaceutical company. That'd caus…

Wasn't the problem with opioids in the US that doctors already did prescribe them too freely? The fact that there's now a backlash after it caused a massive problem cannot be the reason that doctors have historically been sceptical about pain (and not just in the US but elsewhere where prescription opioid abuse has not been a problem!)

Re: Infants' sense of pain is recognized, finally (1987)

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“Babies feeling pain is something that should be self-evident, shouldn't it?” I have yet to understand the historical underpinnings of this phenomenon, but as someone who deals with chronic pain, doctors don’t seem to be aware that people feel pain _in general_. I’m being sort of facetious, but any chronic pain community is full to the brim with stories of various medical professionals being skeptical of patients’ pa…

My cynical explanation is that babies don't vote

And they mercifully don't remember what happened to them once they're older.

Re: Infants' sense of pain is recognized, finally (1987)

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Somehow this makes me think of a Homer Simpson quote: "Lisa, monkeys don't have feelings. If they did, then my experiments could be considered cruel!"

Why would anyone think infants do not feel pain? Sure, they react to pain in the same way they react to being hungry or tired or wanting to be hugged by their parents. But their behavior clearly indicates - from what I have observed, not having children of my own - that they do.

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You do know what the definition of anthropomorphize is right? > attribute human characteristics or behavior to (a god, animal, or object). As far as I'm aware, baby humans don't start off as non-humans and magically transform into a human at some age where they understand more. So it seems fitting to attribute human characteristics to humans . That is not anthropomorphizing.

Yes, I know. But I don't know of any word that means "attribute personhood to a non-person". Humans tend to conflate humanness and personhood.

So because you couldn't find a single word to convey your meaning, you chose to shoehorn a semi-related word into the sentence in the hope that every reader would understand your tortured meaning? Why not use the more accurate multi-word construct? HN doesn't charge per word, last I checked.

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What is considered to be the best treatment for apnea these days? Is it ESP, or something else? Besides CPAP of course.

Double jaw surgery. I had it last year for sleep apnea. I am not overweight, but had recessed jaws. If you do too, the surgery is worth pursuing.

Interesting. I've heard recovery from jaw surgery can be trying. What was your experience like?

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What is considered to be the best treatment for apnea these days? Is it ESP, or something else? Besides CPAP of course.

There are some pretty interesting procedures like MSE that aim to expand your skull internally by putting lateral outward pressure on your palate. The immediate effects are a new gap between your two front teeth and greatly expanded breathing capacity. Hopefully. People have various ways of describing the moment two parts of your internal skull bits separate, once described as "radiant pleasure without actual pleasur…

I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before. Looks very intriguing.
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