I love it. It’s about time they brought some personality back to the Mac. I miss things like the startup chime (it’s back!), the backlit Apple logo, the pulsating power light on the iMac G4 when the system was sleeping, etc. Apple got to a point in the early 2010s where they started stripping away these things, and I’m glad they’re somewhat on their way back.
Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
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Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? Th…
> So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? That's easy: not everyone agrees they're regressions.
They clearly are regressions because they confuse many people and make a worse use of the same screen area.
Also what are the problems being solved by these redesigns and rearrangements? What was solved by going flat in 10.9 -> 10.10? What was solved by going even flatter, and using the dreaded SF Symbols icons everywhere, in 10.15 -> 11.0?
It's a done product — it's been one for quite a while. Could they just stop meddling with the UX already and maybe rewrite their PDF parser in a memory-safe language instead?
Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
#53This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…
Sadly no amount of UI levity can excuse all the ways modern macOS phones home and violates my privacy. I'd rather have a boring OS that doesn't need remote permission to let me run unknown applications, one preferably made by a company that haven't publicly stated their desire to scan my devices for distasteful/illegal personal data.
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Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
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#55Idk. Lose 32 bit support forever, get a dog cow? No wonder the Mac platform is such a dumpster fire.
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#56Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are no…
I too like the current state of Mac development, but this is also a sign of how sterile the company has become when any hint of personality needs to be drawn from Apple's past.
I think Apple still exhibits lots of personality and playfulness, maybe just not as much in their desktop lineup.
I don't really use them much, but I think the Memojis are pretty charming and thoughtful.
Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.
There used to be labeled categories that made sense. Then they removed the labels, and then they merged some of the categories.
I've not tried out Ventura myself yet, but from the footage I've seen, the new settings app seems like an upgrade to me. I've never really found my way around the icon grid, none of the iterations since Leopard worked well for me (and I've probably used all of them), so good riddance, happy to see them they try something new. Those lists may break some people's muscle memory, but I'm way faster skimming through a list than finding things in a more or less arbitrary 2d layout. And besides, it's looks pretty similar to iOS, and if that's executed well, then I should be able to share muscle memory between iOS and macOS, like with Control Center (which is neat).
Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
#58Still got my pin from WWDC18, lovely little thing.
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I as well miss that playfulness of that era. We use these things all day, why shouldn't they give us a smile from time to time from something that happens.
We've still got "Stickies" though not quite the same level of fun, granted.
And unfortunately AppleScript…
Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? That's easy: not everyone agrees they're regressions.
They clearly are regressions because they confuse many people and make a worse use of the same screen area. Also what are the problems being solved by these redesigns and rearrangements? What was solved by going flat in 10.9 -> 10.10? What was solved by going even flatter, and using the dreaded SF Symbols icons everywhere, in 10.15 -> 11.0? It's a done product — it's been one for quite a while. Could they just stop m…
People who complain are loud. Just because they’re loud doesn’t make the UI changes bad.
I find I legitimately prefer the newer UI of Big Sur onwards. I just don’t feel the need to shout it from the heavens.
An alternative take: you’re really going to suggest that one of the richest companies in the world doesn’t do extensive UI/UX testing before putting things out the door? They’re not just saying “yeah, this looks nice - ship it!”.