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Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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There's a couple of regulations for selling GPS enabled devices in China (I am a software guy on a major PND manufacturer with products being sold in China).

- The map data is scrambled (GPS coordinates are encrypted). - To correlate a GPS position with the map data, you plug the HW position through an encryption library (which you have to compile in a specific government building in Beijing). - Border drawing is strongly regulated: no border line between Mainland China and Taiwan, Tibet is of course China, South East Asia Islands can't have border lines drawn and Kashmir is a big thing also with border lines. - You can't show pure GPS coordinates - You can't include a number or POIs in your map (mostly government buildings/facilities).

As a note, India as a certain degree of insanity as well: You can't export a map. Launching a PND there involved shipping a bunch of map technicians there to actually make sure we never got a map outside of India...

Cheers, R

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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There's a couple of regulations for selling GPS enabled devices in China (I am a software guy on a major PND manufacturer with products being sold in China). - The map data is scrambled (GPS coordinates are encrypted). - To correlate a GPS position with the map data, you plug the HW position through an encryption library (which you have to compile in a specific government building in Beijing). - Border drawing is str…

so what you're calling scrambling/encryption is actually a transformation? the encryption library transforms the coordinates so that they match the distorted map?

what is the advantage of this? couldn't an attacker get a copy of the software? is there some kind of real-time authorisation step so that they can disable the transformation or change it?

[edit: thanks; wasn't thinking you thought it a good idea, just curious for more info]

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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This is not a problem with using a GPS, the problem is the shift from using different mapping technologies.

Trying to get satellite and the map portions to line up is very difficult. Trying to do it on a global scale with data from multiple sources... you get the idea.

Now please get back to China bashing and don't let the facts get in the way of your political/religious feelings. Remember to include lots anecdotal evidence and use the word red. And as always bring up other countries that seem scary on fox news.

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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There's a couple of regulations for selling GPS enabled devices in China (I am a software guy on a major PND manufacturer with products being sold in China). - The map data is scrambled (GPS coordinates are encrypted). - To correlate a GPS position with the map data, you plug the HW position through an encryption library (which you have to compile in a specific government building in Beijing). - Border drawing is str…

Everywhere in China you can buy illlegally imported smartphones (cheaper, avoids chinese sales taxes) from Hongkong, all with GPS included.

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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There's a couple of regulations for selling GPS enabled devices in China (I am a software guy on a major PND manufacturer with products being sold in China). - The map data is scrambled (GPS coordinates are encrypted). - To correlate a GPS position with the map data, you plug the HW position through an encryption library (which you have to compile in a specific government building in Beijing). - Border drawing is str…

so what you're calling scrambling/encryption is actually a transformation? the encryption library transforms the coordinates so that they match the distorted map? what is the advantage of this? couldn't an attacker get a copy of the software? is there some kind of real-time authorisation step so that they can disable the transformation or change it? [edit: thanks; wasn't thinking you thought it a good idea, just curi…

Yes... it's not very hard to reverse engineer.

I'm not questioning the advantage (in my view it's a small roadblock if you're motivated enough to actually get the data) just stating an inane regulation...

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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This is not a problem with using a GPS, the problem is the shift from using different mapping technologies. Trying to get satellite and the map portions to line up is very difficult. Trying to do it on a global scale with data from multiple sources... you get the idea. Now please get back to China bashing and don't let the facts get in the way of your political/religious feelings. Remember to include lots anecdotal e…

>Now please get back to China bashing and don't let the facts get in the way of your political/religious feelings. Remember to include lots anecdotal evidence and use the word red. And as always bring up other countries that seem scary on fox news.

I don't know if the author's analysis is accurate, but I'm pretty sure the author is Chinese. I doubt he is repeating what he hears on Fox News.

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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This is not a problem with using a GPS, the problem is the shift from using different mapping technologies. Trying to get satellite and the map portions to line up is very difficult. Trying to do it on a global scale with data from multiple sources... you get the idea. Now please get back to China bashing and don't let the facts get in the way of your political/religious feelings. Remember to include lots anecdotal e…

While I understand your cynicism, my experience in Shanghai and Beijing suggests that Google Maps are some way off between satellite and streetmap modes. I have not found the same problem (or at least to anywhere near the same level) in the UK, Chicago, Michigan, Korea, Japan, Germany, Slovakia and many other countries. There does seem to be an offset applied.

An example in Shanghai: http://g.co/maps/m34n8 An example in Seoul: http://g.co/maps/4gk3t

Note the near perfect alignment in the latter, and way-off alignment in the former.

Re: All Maps in China are Transformed

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Is OpenStreetMaps blocked in China? If not, there could be huge precedence to subvert this.

OSM is banned in China [0]. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_China#Legalit...

I developed a project in China using OSM and it's certainly not blocked there (i. e.: The host is accessible).

The problem of OSM in China is its limited data-set. For example, in the city I developed the project OSM had only the major streets, and the map was quite old.

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