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Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

The crayon color picker with an easter egg if you set the computer's date well into the future would cause the crayons to no longer look brand new

Forgot about that one!

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

#43

This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

I as well miss that playfulness of that era. We use these things all day, why shouldn't they give us a smile from time to time from something that happens.

We've still got "Stickies" though not quite the same level of fun, granted.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

#45

This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

Moof, indeed!

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are no…

> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? Th…

> So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update?

That's easy: not everyone agrees they're regressions.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

#47
post #14
post #4

Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are no…

> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? Th…

It's easy to rose-tint the past. I also remember the hockey puck mouse, the UI skeuomorphic choice to combine "brushed metal" window backgrounds with "plastic" buttons and "black and white LCD" info panels in iTunes and Quick Time Player, and the placement of the apple logo in the middle of the menu bar.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This whole system preferences thing for example Do you remember what the battery icon in System Preferences looked like in the first beta of Mac OS 12? It's a beta. Give it some time. It's not out yet.

I'm very doubtful that by the time it reaches release, they'll bring back the icon grid and the sensible layouts (instead of those stupid iOS-like lists) in the panes themselves.

Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

#49

This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

Sadly no amount of UI levity can excuse all the ways modern macOS phones home and violates my privacy. I'd rather have a boring OS that doesn't need remote permission to let me run unknown applications, one preferably made by a company that haven't publicly stated their desire to scan my devices for distasteful/illegal personal data.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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post #48
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very doubtful that by the time it reaches release, they'll bring back the icon grid and the sensible layouts (instead of those stupid iOS-like lists) in the panes themselves.

Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.

There used to be labeled categories that made sense. Then they removed the labels, and then they merged some of the categories.
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