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Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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e28eta wrote: post #10

> As assetutil showed, there are multiple entries for ClarusSmooth2.pdf—and one of them is followed by data that starts with the PDF file format header (%PDF). But, unfortunately, extracting that data into a separate file seems to result in a blank PDF. And I don’t know enough about the format to figure out whether there is any vector data in it, or if it truly is empty. I suspect this _is_ a vector format, and they’…

Ah, that definitely seems like what it is—CUINamedImage.isVectorBased is true for the Clarus image. Reverse engineering the format could be a fun project.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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jrochkind1 wrote: post #11

> That dialog shows Clarus on the page preview in every app. Weird, on my MacOS (12.3 Monterrey) I think I always see a thumbnail of the actual page I'm previewing there? Surely they haven't taken a step back to showing a generic clarus icon instead in new version of OS? That would be weird. I must be confused about what he's talking about.

The distinction is between the Print dialog (Cmd+P) and the Page Setup dialog (Shift+Cmd+P). Print still shows the normal page previews, but Page Setup is where Clarus is. In a Monterey VM, there's no page preview at all in Page Setup.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Post by selectodude »

grishka wrote: post #14
Doches wrote: post #4

Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are no…

> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? Th…

> This whole system preferences thing for example

Do you remember what the battery icon in System Preferences looked like in the first beta of Mac OS 12? It's a beta. Give it some time. It's not out yet.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Post by joemi »

Side note: What an odd webpage style. Makes some things look like they're markdown, but they're actually added with css ::before and ::after. Plus I found the link style very distracting and unnecessary (since browsers already have built-in ways to show you the URL of a link).

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Post by shadowfacts »

grishka wrote: post #18

> The keen-eyed among you may notice that although, it had a .pdf extension in assetutil info, I’ve given it here as a PNG. I was confused by this too, but upon closer inspection I believe the PNG is what ships with the OS. Although the .car format is not documented, you can still open it up in a hex viewer and learn a bit about what it contains. Looking through it, there appears to be some metadata for each file, fo…

You're right: I believe it's using the "Preserve Vector Data" option Xcode shows in the asset catalog editor and the PNG is just what's being rendered by the CoreUI framework.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Post by m463 »

jeffkeen wrote: post #16

This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

"Why don't we ever go out anymore?" - talking moose

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Post by grishka »

selectodude wrote: post #23
grishka wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? Th…

> This whole system preferences thing for example Do you remember what the battery icon in System Preferences looked like in the first beta of Mac OS 12? It's a beta. Give it some time. It's not out yet.

I'm very doubtful that by the time it reaches release, they'll bring back the icon grid and the sensible layouts (instead of those stupid iOS-like lists) in the panes themselves.
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