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Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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I’ve wondered if someone could run for mayor of Uvalde on the simple platform of firing everyone in their police force, and eliminating pensions for any police officers deployed to the school.

There would be a very real chance the police would simply just murder you and your family. There is ample precedent, in the united states, in most of our lifetimes.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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If you don't want to find yourself in harm's way, don't become a police officer. Legally required or not, they knew the risks when they signed up, they knew what they were trained to do, and then they... didn't.

This is just unreasonable. Humans have a natural desire to preserve their own lives. First responders aren't any different. The idea that first responders are superheros is a fallacious trope. The vast majority of police never use their gun over their entire career.

Police departments are budgeted and equipped on the assumption it will be useful in situations like this, but the equipment isn't used in situations like this. Instead it's used for the abuse of defenseless civilians.

If we're willing to remove these things, then I'm more than fine with not expecting them to handle dangerous situations.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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I don't follow. Were airline investigations not able to do a proper and thorough investigation of the 737 MAX crashes? I'm not saying no mistakes were made. Of course mistakes were made. It was my assumption that the typical "post-mortem" process of those crashes did happen.

Post Mortem means somebody died (or more generously, at least you wrote off an airframe) which means you already failed . Actual safety culture went beyond that, the 737 MAX shouldn't have happened because it was apparent this aeroplane was unsafe before it killed people. One of the many things NASA does for the US which affects ordinary people who aren't ever going to the Moon, let alone Mars, is ASRS. https://asrs.…

Thank you for pointing to ASRS.

My father is a retired airline pilot and we loved talking about safety, how things can fail and how there is a culture of learning for everyones mistakes. I mostly remember the pilots replaying actual crash scenarios.

But you are absolutely right, ASRS and learning from almost-failures is also critical.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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> Absolutely untrue The police are under no legal obligation to protect and serve, https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-y...

I'm under no legal obligation to do my job either. Doesn't mean I won't face discipline if I stop working. The job of police is to protect and serve. That's what they're trained to do. Whether or not they can face legal consequences if they refuse isn't really relevant here.

Your job likely isn't backed by the state's "monopoly on violence", either.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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> But nothing here will change. It's hard but it's important to keep faith, and to keep working to change people's minds about police. Even your comment can make a difference: a place like HN is full of intelligent people who generally come here fairly open minded. Maybe your comment - the top one right now - can open someone's eyes to what cops really are. Stay in the fight!

What would be a reasonable outcome? Firing all of the current PD staff seems like a great first step. Trick is, do you hire more in their place, and how do you pick them?

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Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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What self defense tool is as effective as a firearm, especially in hands of a smaller or elderly person? Any gun control measure that restricts firearms makes it harder to defend yourself. I'd like to think you can depend on the police but that's not always the case.

> Any gun control measure that restricts firearms makes it harder to defend yourself. Bump stocks were outlawed. What impact did that have on self-defense? What impact did restricting assault weapons have on self defense? You are making a claim here. It is necessary for you to back up your claim with evidence. The goal post already moved from the original comment I replied to, which is fine. To avoid further wrigglin…

You brought up the point of banning (restricting) all firearms. No sense arguing about assault weapons since that's a loosely based term. I think the fact that all the world's police use firearms should point to their effectiveness.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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We live in a surveillance society now. This individual that attacked the school wasn’t operating in stealth: he let his murderious intentions be known on social media. The choice now is whether to believe that law enforcement at the local and federal level simply turned a blind eye, or they knew and helped guide this individual to action in order to use the public reaction to advance the gun control agenda. And while…

Sir, this is a Wendy’s. Seriously though — you’re arguing this is a conspiracy to increase gun control, in which a local Texas PD is complicit? The United States is false flagging us into increased gun control by sanctioning the murder of little kids? That’s pretty bonkers.

Why is it bonkers? It's routinely used in other countries as well, like how Putin came to power:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

The only difference is that I'm asserting that this is happening in America too, which for some reason you think is bonkers. Though most likely you'd readily accept it happening everywhere else that's not America or it's strategic partner countries.

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