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Murder-Suicides by Pilots Are Vexing Airlines as Deaths Mount

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#11
It all comes down to the mental health stigma. Even hinting at the slightest bit of mental distress can be enough to lose your medical certificate and end your career. It's no wonder that the pilot population would be more susceptible to the consequences of untreated mental illness.

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>> Preliminary evidence suggests the crash of a China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet in March may be the latest such tragedy, a person familiar with the investigation said.

What is the preliminary evidence? For this type of conclusion I would think the first and last bit of evidence would be the control inputs as recorded by the black box. Supporting evidence should be on the voice recording.

What is this "preliminary evidence"?

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#13

A nose dive maneuver (and any that are clearly anomalous and dangerous) should require simultaneous action by the co-pilot as the likelihood of a double murder-suicide would be incredibly small.

Not possible. In an emergency situation that requires rapid descent, the last thing you'd want is to require both pilots to be on the controls.

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>> Preliminary evidence suggests the crash of a China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet in March may be the latest such tragedy, a person familiar with the investigation said. What is the preliminary evidence? For this type of conclusion I would think the first and last bit of evidence would be the control inputs as recorded by the black box. Supporting evidence should be on the voice recording. What is this "preliminary ev…

The video of the plane going down is enough to strongly suggest it. It was almost completely nose-down before it hit the ground, which is basically not going to happen without the pilot commanding it.

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A nose dive maneuver (and any that are clearly anomalous and dangerous) should require simultaneous action by the co-pilot as the likelihood of a double murder-suicide would be incredibly small.

Anomalous maneuvers are exactly those used to recover from stalls and the like.

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That chart of deaths looks fishy. It shows a lot more deaths from 2011-2020 than from 2021-2022. Which seems completely obvious. Of course there is more deaths in 10 years than there is in 1.5 years. Unless they intend to say "deaths per year", but that's not on the lable at least. Numbers for 2020 and 2021 are useless anyway due to reduced number of flights.

It looks like someone wants to push their political agenda.

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> Fatal crashes of private, business, and corporate-executive airplanes have increased after publicized murder-suicides. The more publicity given to a murder-suicide, the more crashes occurred. The increase in plane crashes occurred primarily in states where the murder-suicides were publicized. These findings suggest that murder-suicide stories trigger subsequent murder-suicides, some of which are disguised as airpla…

As every evil act gets blasted worldwide instantaneously, one has to think that we as a culture need to put an end to publicizing the name/photo of the attacker. It's been proven enough times that it empowers others to do the same, for the fame and recognition of the "nobody".

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#20

Not just a simple murder/suicide, either, which frequently involves people who know each other. This is flat-out mass murder, terrorism, call it what you will. Killing hundreds of strangers would rank you at the top of any serial killer list.

We don’t have a lot of “what we’re you thinking?!” data on these pilots.

I think if you do this servile type of job for years, the passengers become the cattle the rest of of the industry treats them as. My guess (but I’m am not a suicide contemplating jumbo liner pilot), is that any signal from those doing this is against the job/industry itself as the stressor in the pilot’s life.

Perhaps we should avoid practices that dehumanize the pilot’s relationship with the cargo, er, uh, passengers. Maybe the stats say otherwise, but you don’t hear about a lot of tourist ride pilots (bush, etc) doing the in flight nose dive.

I’m curious how many pilots take their lives in more traditional means (e.g. just themselves).

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