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Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by curiousgal »

cjrp wrote: post #251
mantas wrote: post #225

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Denmark's left-wing government is planning to send away asylum seekers too. It's interesting times when protecting borders from illegal immigration is seen as „far right“. It's not „far right“ rising, it's some people pushing Overton window extremely to the left. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/denmark-talks-with-rwan...

> protecting borders from illegal immigration Asylum-seeking is not illegal immigration.

What happens when/if their asylum application gets denied though? At least in France they don't get forced to leave and they find themselves in a strange grey area.

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Post by netsharc »

orra wrote: post #175
c16 wrote: post #60

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1. A PM who lies about attending a party, and runs with the lie until he is forced to admit it by a report and photographic evidence. 2. A PM who lied to the Queen. 3. Food poverty on the up [1] 5. £350m a week for NHS post Brexit, and yet that was a blatant lie. NHS now struggling with many staff quitting post covid and as a result of increased work load due to brexit. The list goes on. [1] British medical journal (…

All those. Plus, threatening peace and stability in Northern Ireland, first by pursuing a hard Brexit at all costs, and now by tearing up the Northern Ireland protocol.

And all of these points so the Prime Idiots can remain in power. Brexit: promised by Cameron because he was scared of nationalist UKIP's rise. The years of Tory austerity and blaming foreigners for the lack of jobs didn't help him win the vote (he preferred Remain).

And now the middle finger to the NI protocol, which is just the current Prime Idiot's move to gather support from the "Fuck the EU!" members of his party so he can again, remain in power, free to booze, fuck around, and taking donations for apartment renovations...

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Post by brigandish »

smcl wrote: post #216
brigandish wrote: post #68

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How often do you think independence referenda should be held?

Whenever there's a seismic enough event like, I dunno, leaving the European Union. That was a fairly effective scare-tactic used by the No campaign - you'll kicked out of the EU, you won't actually meet the criteria! These were pretty huge points that spooked a lot of people into not voting or voting No.

It's not really seismic though, is it? Both options in each referendum were reasonable, there's plenty of countries in the EU and plenty out that do well, plenty have left the Britain and done well, those in the UK are doing fine.

I didn't like the scare tactics in either campaign on either side (though the status quo sides' in each were notably more on the scare side). I see it as an excuse from those who would take any excuse they can.

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Post by dijit »

brigandish wrote: post #199
cyberpunk wrote: post #99

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I voted against it as I didn't want to lose my EU membership; which we were told would happen. A few years later, an unrepresentative (to scotland) tory government takes it from us anyway because they were frightened of nigel farage and some middle englanders don't like hearing polish in their local tescos. A lot of my friends who were remain for various reasons seem to be leaning towards independence. 'We were told…

> A few years later, an unrepresentative (to scotland) tory government takes it from us anyway because they were frightened of nigel farage and some middle englanders don't like hearing polish in their local tescos. You want a referendum because other people you disagree with were given a referendum that you then lost? And you paint this as "tory government takes it from us"? I also note that millions voted, it'd be…

secession from a union that is not representing your interests is valid.

this was the case for brexit, why is it different for scotland?

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Post by PaulKeeble »

cstross wrote: post #37
carnitine wrote: post #16

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Don’t most anti-Brexit arguments have direct anti-independence analogues?

Yes, with one key difference: the Brexit campaigners insisted that the UK was being tyrannized and forced to implement policies set in Brussels by the EU (despite having full political representation in making those policy decisions), whereas Scotland is ultimately under UK control -- large elements of public policy are reserved for Westminster, which means control by a succession of governments Scotland hasn't voted…

And Scotland would be voting for independence so it could join the EU.

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Post by dubeye »

kmlx wrote: post #303
dubeye wrote: post #233

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Is greater London exactly the same as Cornwall? Scotland has sufficient tax base and legal structures to go it alone, whilst Wales arguably doesn't. In your list, you exclude politics.

> Is greater London exactly the same as Cornwall? considering how many people from London move to Cornwall, and judging by the number of Teslas on the road, yeah, it's pretty similar. > Scotland has sufficient tax base and legal structures to go it alone, whilst Wales arguably doesn't. there are lots of countries that went at it alone. that doesn't mean those countries have been successful. one can even argue that an…

Cornwall is one of the poorest areas in the United Kingdom and London is one of the richest. So not too similar in that respect.

Success is a different question, but the point made that most economists accept Scotland 'could' do it. Wales not so much.

> less politics, better for everyone.

We are discussing politics right now :)

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