As an Englishman I say good luck to them. If it means them leaving the UK to join the EU then it might force the rest of the UK to rejoin as well!
Scotland starts renewed case for independence
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Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#22As a Brit that didn’t want Scotland to be independent last time around: good luck to them. Brexit has shown very clearly that Scotland wants to chart a different path to England and IMO they should be allowed to do it. …just be generous to English folks seeking asylum from Tory rule, yeah?
For non-UK people: There are four nations in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland). But England has roughly 90% of the population of the UK. So what England votes for in an all-nations referendum, the rest of the UK gets. England voted for Brexit by a narrow-ish majority. But Scotland voted against Brexit by a huge margin -- 62/38, or approximately 3:2. Ironically, the year before the Brexit referendum…
> stronger far left
I’m not sure there’s any significant ‘far left’ in Scotland. What groups are you thinking of?
There’s also of course a very large nationalist component.
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#23I don't see it happening, we've been through far too much in the last 10 years to inflict even more damage.
I've asked this question many times but how is it feasible for Scotland to become Independent:
1. They currently don't meet the requirements to join the EU. Are they going to skip the current waiting list? 2. How will they create a military? 3. Still a big question mark over currency and Scotland's debt. 4. Ownership of Natural Resources?
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#24As a Brit that didn’t want Scotland to be independent last time around: good luck to them. Brexit has shown very clearly that Scotland wants to chart a different path to England and IMO they should be allowed to do it. …just be generous to English folks seeking asylum from Tory rule, yeah?
For non-UK people: There are four nations in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland). But England has roughly 90% of the population of the UK. So what England votes for in an all-nations referendum, the rest of the UK gets. England voted for Brexit by a narrow-ish majority. But Scotland voted against Brexit by a huge margin -- 62/38, or approximately 3:2. Ironically, the year before the Brexit referendum…
I’d say post-Brexit England has drifted away from the far right. The whole EDL/Britain First/UKIP sentiment has only waned massively since then. The ruling government has not come close to far right at any point.
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Dutch and EU citizen I fully understand their motivation. I also regretted to see England leave the EU.
Will you feel the same way when the EU seeks the end of veto powers (as is currently happening)? https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/european-parliament-a...
Yes. My view on the EU is that it is far from perfect but the fact that we collaborate on a larger scale is necessary and we should only try to enhance it. At some point (500+ years?) we should be one planet, that should the goal. (Sorry; I am out-of-this-world-super-left).
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#26I feel like the Scotts only push hard for independence when the price of oil is high....because it balances the budget and makes independence look more attractive..
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#27As a Brit that didn’t want Scotland to be independent last time around: good luck to them. Brexit has shown very clearly that Scotland wants to chart a different path to England and IMO they should be allowed to do it. …just be generous to English folks seeking asylum from Tory rule, yeah?
> …just be generous to English folks seeking asylum from Tory rule, yeah?
As you know, UK asylum policy is horrific at the moment. The UK is sending asylum seekers to Rwanda, copying Australia's repugnant offshore policy. I hope we (Scotland) do better.
In 2014, the independence white paper had a points based immigration policy. I want a much more open immigration policy this time round. Scotland is enriched by migrants, whether from England or elsewhere. Moreover, we generally depend upon immigration to maintain modest population growth.
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#28While as someone living in London, I fully agree that Scotland should have sovereignty without the English BS, I do find it chuckle worthy the url they created for this cause:
"independence-modern-world-wealthier-happier-fairer-not-scotland".
I think their marketing team needs to do some work on that one and maybe a bolder call to action than "Why not Scotland" while they're at it :D
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#29As a Brit that didn’t want Scotland to be independent last time around: good luck to them. Brexit has shown very clearly that Scotland wants to chart a different path to England and IMO they should be allowed to do it. …just be generous to English folks seeking asylum from Tory rule, yeah?
As a Brit who voted for Scottish independence last time, against the wishes of many of my family and those around me, if this happens again then I'll vote against the SNP's wishes. They said it was a once in generation vote. I made my case, as did everyone else, we all had the chance to vote on it, and my side lost. Democratic votes need the consent of the loser, not I didn't get my way so let's have another vote. Brexit has nothing to do with it, a third of those voting for independence also want(ed) independence from the EU, it's just an excuse.
I don't even think they have the support this time as much as they did last time. It's opportunist, mendacious, unwarranted and ill-considered politicking that I will fight tooth and nail against.
Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
For non-UK people: There are four nations in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland). But England has roughly 90% of the population of the UK. So what England votes for in an all-nations referendum, the rest of the UK gets. England voted for Brexit by a narrow-ish majority. But Scotland voted against Brexit by a huge margin -- 62/38, or approximately 3:2. Ironically, the year before the Brexit referendum…
I’d say post-Brexit England has drifted away from the far right. The whole EDL/Britain First/UKIP sentiment has only waned massively since then. The ruling government has not come close to far right at any point.
Perhaps the fringe far-right parties have all but disintegrated, but the Tories have certainly drifted rightward and they're essentially untouchable in England in spite of ... well, everything