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Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by kube-system »

orwin wrote: post #185
kube-system wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that it's a best practice, or that those best practices are a good idea. Expecting the police to follow those best practices every time is not any more reasonable than expecting any other profession to follow best practice every time. The reason we don't legally require them to prevent crime is that it's an unachievable standard.

I'm sorry, i worked with patient health data, and i'm currently working with people banking informations. Expecting i follow the industry best practice is the MINIMUM. It is reasonable that my employer expect me to store my passowrds/api keys everytime and that i do not publish them on github/gitlab. It is also reasonable that my APIs are protected. Its is also reasonable that i monitor if my services are up or down.…

Things like FCRA and HIPAA aren't best practices, they're law.

If your data isn't protected by law in the US, chances are that data processors are most likely not following many data protection best practices.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

doodlebugging wrote: post #86

I thought body cam footage was public data, discoverable and releasable under the law. There is no one left to prosecute here since they killed the shooter so there is no reason to delay disclosure. That thin blue line looks more and more like a line for cowards to hide behind while they seek to escape accountability for actions they know would have them arrested if they had no badge. Simply holding their noses while…

> That thin blue line looks more and more like a line for cowards to hide behind while they seek to escape accountability for actions they know would have them arrested if they had no badge.

Half the country has known this for a couple years now. It's a shame it took the deaths of children for the rest to start to figure it out.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by drugstorecowboy »

Apocryphon wrote: post #74
drugstorecowboy wrote: post #49

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Yes, which completely ignores the difference between a person who has had this situation forced on them (A teacher or school administrator) and someone who has to choose to enter it. I think it might be quite a bit easier to confront a shooter when its obvious that doing nothing will result in your death. In this situation in particular I can't imagine how armed teachers would have made it any worse, but can certainl…

What if an armed teacher becomes the active shooter?

And what exactly would stop that from happening now? Do you really believe the only thing stopping a teacher from a rampage is the fact that its illegal for them to have a gun on campus?

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by johndevor »

kube-system wrote: post #179
johndevor wrote: post #175

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To protect and serve* If we could choose our police like our cell service, I'd pay for the police force that required military service or punished officers who did not act when they should

"protect and serve" is a motto that originated from a contest in a magazine. It's not a quote from a legal text. We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. If you can only afford a house in a neighborhood with a Cricket Wireless tax base, then you get Cricket Wireless quality police.

> We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets.

And you're free to start a new wireless company. But try starting a new police force and you'll get arrested. Not the same.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by Apocryphon »

drugstorecowboy wrote: post #193
Apocryphon wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if an armed teacher becomes the active shooter?

And what exactly would stop that from happening now? Do you really believe the only thing stopping a teacher from a rampage is the fact that its illegal for them to have a gun on campus?

Well, the increased availability of guns and the further normalization of guns everywhere would probably increase the chances over the status quo.

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Post by ehvatum »

zackees wrote: post #112
jmyeet wrote: post #55

Are we afraid won't actually do their job when it actually involves putting themselves in danger? I think the cat is out of the bag on that one. Quite famously, the police are much better at shooting children [1] than they are at shooting to protect children. The Uvalde PD consumes 40% of the town budget ($4m of $10m exclusive of a $500k grant they got from the state of Texas months earlier). 19 police officers were…

We live in a surveillance society now. This individual that attacked the school wasn’t operating in stealth: he let his murderious intentions be known on social media. The choice now is whether to believe that law enforcement at the local and federal level simply turned a blind eye, or they knew and helped guide this individual to action in order to use the public reaction to advance the gun control agenda. And while…

You make good points, but people here are no more receptive to them than Russians are prepared to acknowledge that Putin came to power by staging false flag attacks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

It's a discomfiting thought that's simply easier not to have.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by kube-system »

jjulius wrote: post #137
zo1 wrote: post #134

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The problem is that they're equally as likely to be crucified if they jump in, and do a dumb thing and accidentally kill someone when others think that it was avoidable. There are just as many people crying "why didn't they just shoot the shooter in the leg to incapacitate him".

I'd rather someone be crucified for fucking up than for not doing anything at all, in this instance. Time is a massive factor in these situations, and time was massively wasted.

> I'd rather someone be crucified for fucking up

The "someone" might have a little more skin in the game than you do, though.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by kube-system »

johndevor wrote: post #194
kube-system wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"protect and serve" is a motto that originated from a contest in a magazine. It's not a quote from a legal text. We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. If you can only afford a house in a neighborhood with a Cricket Wireless tax base, then you get Cricket Wireless quality police.

> We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. And you're free to start a new wireless company. But try starting a new police force and you'll get arrested. Not the same.

It is absolutely possible to create a new police force in the US, and not really that uncommon.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/creating-your-ow...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States

In fact, schools are a good example of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_police#United_States

Creating a new police force is probably not any harder than making an MVNO and probably much easier than acquiring spectrum to create a real wireless carrier.

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

ncmncm wrote: post #176
maybelsyrup wrote: post #97

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> But nothing here will change. It's hard but it's important to keep faith, and to keep working to change people's minds about police. Even your comment can make a difference: a place like HN is full of intelligent people who generally come here fairly open minded. Maybe your comment - the top one right now - can open someone's eyes to what cops really are. Stay in the fight!

What would be a reasonable outcome? Firing all of the current PD staff seems like a great first step. Trick is, do you hire more in their place, and how do you pick them?

No one seems willing to say it out loud, but the reason we can't fire all the police at once is that they will retaliate by looting and killing civilians. This was one of the mistakes the US made after invading iraq, and also a problem the roman empire kept running into in its later years.

Re: Texas police want uvalde bodycam footage suppressed

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Post by pchristensen »

jmpman wrote: post #13

I’ve wondered if someone could run for mayor of Uvalde on the simple platform of firing everyone in their police force, and eliminating pensions for any police officers deployed to the school.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0351977/
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