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An Elephant Burial

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Re: An Elephant Burial

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose you personally vet every company, and all senior executives that work for them, that you conduct business with?

No kidding, especially given that this barely saw any coverage in the media - CNN, Huffington Post, feh. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/04/01/godaddy.peta.prot... , http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-godaddy...

I dunno, I'm pretty well-read but I'd never heard of this before this. Never appeared on my radar, I guess.

Re: An Elephant Burial

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Fascinating stuff. Is anybody familiar with the amount of ritual usually needed by archaeologists to suggest that some sort of religious tendancies might be present in a particular group of ancient hominids? The possibility that elephants could have some sort of rudimentary religious thoughts would be a great breakthrough I think. Burial itself is mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion

I did a semester of 'Religious Studies' focusing primarily on non-monotheistic religions as an undergrad and when we studied the origins of religion the absolute earliest things to be considered religious was when some kind of ritual was put into the treatment of the dead.

The example of the earliest known burial on the wiki page you linked sounds like one of the specific events we studied.

"The earliest undisputed human burial dates back 90,000 years. Human skeletal remains stained with red ochre were discovered[by whom?] in the Skhul cave at Qafzeh, Israel. A variety of grave goods were present at the site, including the mandible of a wild boar in the arms of one of the skeletons."

Re: An Elephant Burial

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Too bad whatblag.com is registered at Go Daddy, where the CEO participated in the shooting and killing of an elephant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Daddy#Animal_rights

I suppose you personally vet every company, and all senior executives that work for them, that you conduct business with?

If the whatblag owner did not know about the elephant shooting before, he probably does now.

Re: An Elephant Burial

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose you personally vet every company, and all senior executives that work for them, that you conduct business with?

If the whatblag owner did not know about the elephant shooting before, he probably does now.

Yes, now I know. I could've sworn my domain was registered with Media Temple, however. I transferred it 6 months ago. Taking care of that now.

At any rate, I'm sure we all understand that guilt by association is a gross logical fallacy, and that I in no way endorse the killing of elephants. This must be what it feels like to be a politician...

Re: An Elephant Burial

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Not having grown up around animals, I'm constantly amazed by the intelligence behind some of the things my dog does. She has given me a much greater appreciation of nonhuman intelligence, and I've grown to one stories like this.

In grad school, I lived with a girl, and after some time, her boyfriend and their dog moved in with us. A few days after moving in, I went to go to the office, and the dog bolted out the door. I went running after him and corralled him back inside.

That evening, when I got home, he and I made eye contact as soon as I opened the door. He immediately slunk off out of view. I then informed my roommates about what happened, and they of course scolded the dog.

What is undeniable to me is that the dog felt shame. He knew he had done wrong. I could see it in his body language and behavior - he knew it when he saw me when I got home, and he knew it when my roommates were scolding him (Verbally only.)

When you think about it, though, it shouldn't be a surprise that pack animals would experience shame. That emotion would help maintain the pack hierarchy.

I think that incident, by the way, is what established me as a pack-leader to the dog. I was new, and I don't think he automatically assumed I had authority. I miss that dog, too. He was one of the most openly affectionate dogs I've ever had the pleasure of being around.

Re: An Elephant Burial

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I wonder how much of this is due to the elephant having been shot (as opposed to being killed by a more comprehensible form of injury). The group of animals may have minimal contact with guns and not understand what happened.

From the herds perspective, they successfully escaped from the scary humans who made loud sounds but one elephant suddenly just toppled over after they escaped.

Confused they try to get her to her feet.

Later once its clear she's not coming with them, they cover her body to give it some form of protection against the elements or scavengers, if she wakes up later she might be able to catch up with the herd.

Re: An Elephant Burial

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I wonder how much of this is due to the elephant having been shot (as opposed to being killed by a more comprehensible form of injury). The group of animals may have minimal contact with guns and not understand what happened. From the herds perspective, they successfully escaped from the scary humans who made loud sounds but one elephant suddenly just toppled over after they escaped. Confused they try to get her to h…

From what I have heard/seen elephants treat their dead with respect. When coming back to an area where they lost one of their own they are known to caress and pick up bones and spend some time there. They seem to grasp the concept of death.

They may not have made an association between the event and their loss, but I am pretty sure they recognized the little one was no longer 'with them'. I personally feel (no facts here) they would not have left her alone if they thought she was alive.

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