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Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by rsstack » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #16

rsstack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they would also have Edge installed in Windows Server 2022. It's a very small population that has a trivial workaround: use the _default_ default browser that came with the server operating system.

Well, yes, "Just use a different browser" has always been a workaround that web developers can suggest to their users, but let me point out a more substantive problem with that recommendation: Microsoft Edge was not included with Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry (although it was later made available for it), and that operating system is still within "extended support" until July 2023. You're right, though, that basicall…

> Microsoft Edge was not included with Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry (although it was later made available for it), and that operating system is still within "extended support" until July 2023.

Do people browse generally available websites from cash registers? I'd assume they only browse internal portals.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by zinekeller » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #16

rsstack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they would also have Edge installed in Windows Server 2022. It's a very small population that has a trivial workaround: use the _default_ default browser that came with the server operating system.

Well, yes, "Just use a different browser" has always been a workaround that web developers can suggest to their users, but let me point out a more substantive problem with that recommendation: Microsoft Edge was not included with Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry (although it was later made available for it), and that operating system is still within "extended support" until July 2023. You're right, though, that basicall…

Microsoft has broken its maintenance-only policy (and in Windows 7's case its EOL policy) by pushing an update that installs Microsoft Edge and WebView2 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5001027-update-f...)

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by neatze » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

robohydrate wrote: post #12

neatze wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows server, use Linux instead, it is possible to do this with samba for long time, I had this setup with samba for 50+ hosts with AD/GPO/Storage all working, this was more then 6 years ago.

My current career (VDI/DaaS stuff) depends on Windows Server still being a thing. Maybe I should switch to make it depend on Linux instead?

I don't know about cloud stuff much to be honest, if I would do it today, Linux server would also PXE booting Windows hosts (well samba servers are also PXE booted), that are cheap Mini PC's, I like having everything on premise, dual cheap servers + pfsense router (used would do it) will easily support 100+ hosts, with offsite full backup to rsync.net, I can see how samba servers can be in closest data center, instead of on premise.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by exyi » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

I'd choose to kill some social networks... which are so social that you can't even read them without an account.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by innocenat » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:48 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #6

tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agen...

My only wish is that Apple make it easy to run Safari, both latest version and older version, on non-Apple device.

I have had a design that broke only on Safari, and I would be at my wit end on how to fix it if I didn't have a Mac on hand.

Even Microsoft still provide VM with IE8 [0] for testing purpose.

0: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v...

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by onion2k » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

bind

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by MBCook » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

rsstack wrote: post #5

dane-pgp wrote: post #2

As the linked FAQ states: "For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is installed." and sadly IE11 came bundled with even Windows Server 2022, so if you're creating a website for users who spend all their time administrating Windows servers, you still have to support IE11...

But they would also have Edge installed in Windows Server 2022. It's a very small population that has a trivial workaround: use the _default_ default browser that came with the server operating system.

Except that new browser won’t support Active-X or Java applets.

Yes those still exist. Yes they are needed. Yes I have to support them.

Pity me.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by carey » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #9

I was working a defense project last year where the whole UI is a java applet that requires IE. I wonder if they're still charging ahead with the implementation.

If it’s just for Java that’s not really a problem. They might be able to run the applet directly with appletviewer, or repackage it for Java Web Start. Otherwise, CheerpJ has a solution for continuing to run the applet in the browser by converting it to WASM.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by rsstack » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #27

rsstack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they would also have Edge installed in Windows Server 2022. It's a very small population that has a trivial workaround: use the _default_ default browser that came with the server operating system.

Except that new browser won’t support Active-X or Java applets. Yes those still exist. Yes they are needed. Yes I have to support them. Pity me.

There's a difference between "our website uses ActiveX which is unique to IE11, so we need to support IE11" and "our website is HTML/CSS/JS, and we need to support IE11". I do pity you, but I no longer have to pity other people :)

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by breunigs » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 8:09 PM UTC

On a related note, you can email Microsoft to add your domain to the "needs Edge" list: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/web-platform...

If you try to open a host from that list in IE11, it will open in Edge instead. The process really is just sending them an email, so I did it for my personal site which still received occasional IE11 traffic from "yesteryear's megacorp" IP ranges. I don't have enough IE11 traffic to judge if it worked for these poor users, though it does on my Windows PC. Given my effort was literally sending a single email and wait a month, I am happy even if it helps only a few people.