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Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by ash_gti »

dane-pgp wrote: post #6
tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agen...

I dunno, then there would only be 2 actively maintained browser engines, Chrome and Firefox.

Webkit is doing pretty good on https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 so I'm not sure why Safari should be retired.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by robohydrate »

neatze wrote: post #10
tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

Windows server, use Linux instead, it is possible to do this with samba for long time, I had this setup with samba for 50+ hosts with AD/GPO/Storage all working, this was more then 6 years ago.

My current career (VDI/DaaS stuff) depends on Windows Server still being a thing. Maybe I should switch to make it depend on Linux instead?

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by zinekeller »

dane-pgp wrote: post #2

As the linked FAQ states: "For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is installed." and sadly IE11 came bundled with even Windows Server 2022, so if you're creating a website for users who spend all their time administrating Windows servers, you still have to support IE11...

Not really. This is the nuance that some people miss: you could only use the IE11 engine inside Edge when an administrator explicitly enabled your website to be there. This has two consequences:

a) All ActiveX extensions are dead. This is problematic if the reason why IE is still being used is because it required an ActiveX content to work (so you couldn't just flip the switch to IE11 compat mode in Edge, you need to rewrite it since three years ago)

b) if you're developing a public-facing website, you can stop worrying IE11, but if you're developing enterprise software you're still in hell for around seven years (give or take if Microsoft offers an ESU à la Windows 7).

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by jabroni_salad »

robohydrate wrote: post #12
neatze wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows server, use Linux instead, it is possible to do this with samba for long time, I had this setup with samba for 50+ hosts with AD/GPO/Storage all working, this was more then 6 years ago.

My current career (VDI/DaaS stuff) depends on Windows Server still being a thing. Maybe I should switch to make it depend on Linux instead?

The only companies that make this work are engineering their own solutions. I hope that broadcom acquiring vmware will inspire the competition to be a little better in this regard, but it'll be awhile and lately the market has been swinging towards cloud desktops instead of onprem vm hosts.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by dane-pgp »

rsstack wrote: post #5
dane-pgp wrote: post #2

As the linked FAQ states: "For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is installed." and sadly IE11 came bundled with even Windows Server 2022, so if you're creating a website for users who spend all their time administrating Windows servers, you still have to support IE11...

But they would also have Edge installed in Windows Server 2022. It's a very small population that has a trivial workaround: use the _default_ default browser that came with the server operating system.

Well, yes, "Just use a different browser" has always been a workaround that web developers can suggest to their users, but let me point out a more substantive problem with that recommendation:

Microsoft Edge was not included with Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry (although it was later made available for it), and that operating system is still within "extended support" until July 2023.

You're right, though, that basically anyone on any supported Windows operating system has an option available to them which probably takes less effort than that required for someone to add and maintain IE11 support to their website.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by presentation »

ash_gti wrote: post #11
dane-pgp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agen...

I dunno, then there would only be 2 actively maintained browser engines, Chrome and Firefox. Webkit is doing pretty good on https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 so I'm not sure why Safari should be retired.

Most of my Safari compat issues are on older iOS devices that don't get Safari upgrades, for better or worse those devices do last a long time and a lot of people resist upgrading Mac software.

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by gkbrk »

tims33 wrote: post #3

Great news! What is the next big piece of software that needs to be retired to make the Internet a better place?

I guess in the spirit of the open web, Chrome might be a good candidate for retirement. There is even a growing consensus that "Chrome is the new IE".

Re: Official IE11 end-of-life in 2 days

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Post by exyi »

ash_gti wrote: post #11
dane-pgp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agen...

I dunno, then there would only be 2 actively maintained browser engines, Chrome and Firefox. Webkit is doing pretty good on https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 so I'm not sure why Safari should be retired.

At least it definitely shouldn't be the only available browser. So we could say that the Safari monopoly should be gone
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