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Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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I really don't get why people are happy about Bitcoin crashing. It is the only hope for freedom. What do you mean by "exchanging money in good faith"? So being able to prove transactions are valid is a bad thing in your opinion? You think it is a good thing that the FED can make the whole economy tumble by playing with their interest rates?

> It is the only hope for freedom. I... am not sure how to reply to something like this. Does this not strike people as a bit cult-like?

Do you disagree that the monetary policies of the FED messed up the economy? How is that OK?

The point of Bitcoin is literally decentralization. Centralization is control and anti-freedom.

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Alternatively: Many people will not pass an opportunity of a "risk-free" 20% APY. (Not sure if Binance in particular is paying interest on deposits, but many exchanges do, as far as I know.) Also, how are wallets the same thing as servers? That analogy seems a bit stretched.

I’ve only heard of this mythical “risk free 20%” after the crash. I never heard anyone advertising that rate before.

You’re kidding right? Anchor was famous for 20% APY - I know people who got very rich off this Ponzi.

Source: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/03/25/anchor-protocol-...

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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> You say speculative, I say productive. Oh I totally agree! Stocks in companies are absolutely productive assets. Though they are still speculative. I guess the first thought that comes to mind is well, so what? Does it make sense for individuals to plow money into the stock market even at all-time highs? Should you basically have to perform an investor level due diligence for buying these productive assets? Sometim…

Gold famously doesn't decay, but why should I expect prices to remain constant in terms of gold? If I sell you a chicken today for 80 milligrams of gold, why would you be obligated to sell me an equivalent chicken for 80 milligrams of gold in twenty years? Gold isn't a perfect store or value, it's just a perfect store of gold.

Yea - I was just saying it's probably the closest we have ever gotten. The chicken example is interesting b/c what would you actually compare gold to? Say chickens were commonplace today and could be had for 80 milligrams of gold but then some disease wiped them out and only 10,000 could be grown and sold each year. Obviously they'd be worth more than 80 milligrams of gold - but as prices for other things perhaps come down and become more plentiful (or new products/services emerge) 80 milligrams of gold may buy something completely different at a great price.

I mostly agree with you here. Keep in mind I was preliminary responding to someone else w.r.t stores of wealth. It may even be the case that storing wealth is nonsensical as a matter of physics (either natural physics or economic physics). Perhaps what we refer to as wealth storage is really just scarcity of a physical item, whether that be a house, a collector's edition widget, a car or piece of art, or in your example, a chicken. Maybe the goal in what we would call wealth preservation is to find assets that either do not decay over time, or that decay very, very slowly over time? One thing that comes to mind then is how fiat currency plays into this decay? What would it represent?

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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I don't see how this relates to my comment above at all.

Exchanges allow for sub-second resolution of a transaction because the resolution is actually pushing numbers around in the exchange's own internal tables (or between trusted exchanges). Banks offer similar service when trading fiat currency (either because they can resolve an internal account-to-account transaction or because they'll float the risk of fraud until they can resolve a cross-firm transaction). But if yo…

Ah, yes I don't disagree. IMO, I don't think the use case for crypto is to replace fiat, but I can see how those that operate from that assumption/desire would experience friction.

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> I'd doubt BTC will go to zero, but I wouldn't be surprised if the entire covid rally gets wiped out and we see BTC 6k again. I agree. We invest a small amount of money into $BTC and I feel pretty neutral on the topic and my comments come from an intention of neutral observation. I think $BTC is in a bad spot that's about to get worse in the short-term. It's getting hit from both ends: expensive energy, and high int…

> It's more of a hedge against low interest rates and the central banks printing money in that environment IMO. Could you explain how /exactly/ it functions as a hedge? I don’t care about price, just the mechanics/logic.

From what I gather, and certainly someone may come in with a much better explanation or refutation is that Bitcoin is in a sense a finite resource (let's just look at the mechanics right now) and if appetite for Bitcoins increases you can't make more of them.

If a central bank is inflating a currency, it means each year that more of that currency exists than it did previously, so people can effectively bid for resources with more currency which increases the relative price. A pack of gum used to cost $.05. Now it's like $2.99 (or whatever). This is primarily due to inflation as far as I can tell.

Likewise the same is true for Bitcoin, except that it has an additional feature in that it's transmutable into a pack of gum, or a share of JPMorgan stock, or a house, or a car, or some service. It's also transferrable - you can move it (again let's ignore how well it works right now) from place to place without having to actually ship it anywhere.

So because Bitcoin is transmutable like a Euro or Dollar it can do similar things, except the difference is that more Euros and Dollars are effectively "mined" and created, whereas there's a limit to how many Bitcoins can ever exist. So as more and more Euros and Dollars are created, you can spend more of those to buy the same Bitcoin.

Granted, this is very much at face value and some of the mechanics aren't quite there - it's actually very expensive right now to move Bitcoin around and it appears to make for a pretty bad currency, but I think this should at least touch on the mechanics or logic.

tl;dr it's like gold.

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I recently watched some traditional cable and was shocked by the number of crypto ads bombarding viewers. I have to imagine that this market was goosed up by retail investors trading on coinbase and binance just as the e-betting market was. The only difference between crypto and e-betting is that everyone got to be a winner on the crypto markets for a while. As users lose out, and exchanges stop ad campaigns - how lo…

I recall walking through an airport this year and seeing Crypto ads everywhere. That was my shoeshine boy moment (1) (1) https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-spot-stock-market-bub...

I love that phrase, 'shoeshine boy moment'.

I've stayed away from crypto, but my shoeshine boy moment was when we went on a road trip around Wales last summer. We happened to wander into a small shop in a small harbour town in Wales, literally about 4-6 streets in total. The guy behind the counter had some 'pay with crypto' machine and was singing the praises of crypto to all of the old ladies, moms and dads that were ahead of us in the queue...

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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In my opinion mixing the functions of medium of exchange and store of value has caused untold amounts of needless suffering. You see 2% inflation is the middle ground. Rich people may want to save and increase their wealth but my mom just wants a job to pay rent and buy groceries, she has no grand ambitions to become super wealthy. When you mix the two functions into cash, one of the two is going to dominate the econ…

Maybe the issue is just that we no longer have a store of wealth that isn't tied to a speculative asset? Fiat currency is a fantastic currency - even terrorists who hate America use dollars. But it's a terrible store of wealth because it loses at least 2% of its value by intention (this fluctuates - just going off the stated Federal Reserve targets). I think this is where things like houses becoming collateralized as…

> it loses at least 2% of its value by intention

How do you get "at least"? The target used to be "below, but close to 2%", but has been increased to around 2% (symmetrically). It has been less than 2.5% over the last 20 years (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL) including the recent spike, and has been 2.02% from Jan 2001 to Jan 2021, which I'd call precisely on target.

Needless to say, if you parked your extra money in the stock or housing markets, you handily beat inflation. And if you don't have money to invest in the markets, then you don't care about inflation anyway (but rather real wage growth).

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> I'd doubt BTC will go to zero, but I wouldn't be surprised if the entire covid rally gets wiped out and we see BTC 6k again. I agree. We invest a small amount of money into $BTC and I feel pretty neutral on the topic and my comments come from an intention of neutral observation. I think $BTC is in a bad spot that's about to get worse in the short-term. It's getting hit from both ends: expensive energy, and high int…

What does Bitcoin provide that a cheaper coin doesn't? The only thing pushing the price up is speculation, all digital coins are worth pennies as they're all completely interchangeable from an end user perspective.

> What does Bitcoin provide that a cheaper coin doesn't?

Good question, since it is trivial to clone Bitcoin.

Only answer I can come up with (except for psychological factors): hash power.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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I recently watched some traditional cable and was shocked by the number of crypto ads bombarding viewers. I have to imagine that this market was goosed up by retail investors trading on coinbase and binance just as the e-betting market was. The only difference between crypto and e-betting is that everyone got to be a winner on the crypto markets for a while. As users lose out, and exchanges stop ad campaigns - how lo…

Bitcoins reason d'etre is to permit an exchange of value without involving the banks/classic financial infrastructure. It could go down to fractions of a penny and still be able to do that.

Indeed, providing something money-like without central authority (thus circumventing regulation, so far) is the only innovation of BTC.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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You must be living in a perfect society with zero government/political corruption. Good for you.

What “totally legit” things have you been doing with crypto? Curious to know more.

Donations? Purchasing stuff?

(And before you ask, NO, there were no other possible ways for me to do those donations to people in war or purchase those stuff where crypto and PayPal were the only way to pay and PayPal is blocked in my corrupted country)

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