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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

Macha wrote: post #176
aidenn0 wrote: post #94

I hope that someday I will understand why people like Thunderbird. It is unequivocally the worst e-mail client I have ever used, excepting some early, extremely buggy versions of alpine. I tried it again recently as it is only one of only 3 e-mail clients I found that could do exchange oauth2[1]. It's possible that its interface isn't as objectively terrible as it seems, but it is gratuitously different; if you are g…

Have you used the gmail web interface? How do you do bulk actions on emails? Clicking a checkbox for every single one? Having to write an run a query for each set of emails you want to operate on in bulk? Here's how I do it in thunderbird. Sort by sender (or other thing). Click first email. Shift click last email. Do whatever I want (usually archive or move to a folder). My employer turned off IMAP access a few years…

>Here's how I do it in thunderbird. Sort by sender (or other thing). Click first email. Shift click last email. Do whatever I want (usually archive or move to a folder).

This is pretty basic functionality for an email client to have. In GMail (Proton and Yandex too; probably any modern web client) works by clicking the checkbox. Click first email's checkbox. Shift click last email's checkbox.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by zafiro17 »

I wish both the K9 and Thunderbird teams all the best. K9 needs some love, and so does Thunderbird, honestly.

I use Aquamail on Android and love it. Great feature set, works great with multiple accounts, lots of configuration options. It's not open source or free and I honestly do not care.

Back in the day it was something like USD 4. Now it's something like USD 25. Still worth it, and I don't mind paying for software if it keeps the developers in business.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by NoGravitas »

mxuribe wrote: post #161
8845327 wrote: post #125

Does anyone know how to make gmail play nice with K-9 or FairEmail? Gmail keeps asking me to log in through a browser on my phone, and authorize almost every log in attempt, and not all authorizations are accepted! When I log in into my gmail account on a computer and authorize the "suspect" log ins, gmail still refuses (8/10 times) to allow use through 3rd party apps. My experience with 3rd party email apps has been…

I agree with you that Google wants to lock users into their ecosystem. Separetly, i think @brnt is 100% correct; an app password should do the trick for you. Well, at least for now...because @brnt said it best with the following: "...As with all things Google, the only winning move is not to play. Long term I'm sure they'll axe this and tell you to use their app or bust."

Google has said already that they will be dropping app passwords for GMail soon. I don't remember the exact date, but it's not far off.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by NonNefarious »

c_prompt wrote: post #147

Speaking only for myself, I would LOVE to get away from Microsoft Outlook. As I've alluded elsewhere [1], there are some key functions that are needed: - Full encryption integrated into the client for all data (e.g., I don't want Windows Search able to index the mail so someone has access when the client is closed/unencrypted; I also remember testing Thunderbird years ago and was able to go into the individual unencr…

After not trying Thunderbird since the '90s (when I dismissed it with prejudice for having no way to export, and thus copy between computers, all the filters you'd set up), I was forced to after discovering the unusably defective shitshow that is Outlook today.

I was pleasantly surprised by the experience of installing and configuring Thunderbird on two new computers I bought for my parents. Pretty much seamless, and I kept waiting for it to fail it furiously downloaded all 15,000+ messages in each of their AOL In-boxes. Nope. It worked fine, unlike Outlook and whatever the atrocious POS client Microsoft is including with Windows these days.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by dang »

rvz wrote: post #118

So adding two disasters together makes it magnificent news? Oh dear. I don't think Thunderbird is that relevant today since that it's essentially abandoned and still no Android or iOS app for decades. I'd say that ship has already sailed and it would be a long way to go to support iOS. It has gotten this bad that they needed something like K-9 to have Android support, and you would have thought that even with Google'…

Can you please stop posting snarky/fulminatey comments? It's against the site guidelines, and unfortunately nearly everything you've posted recently has this quality.

HN is for curious conversation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by 8845327 »

brnt wrote: post #135
8845327 wrote: post #125

Does anyone know how to make gmail play nice with K-9 or FairEmail? Gmail keeps asking me to log in through a browser on my phone, and authorize almost every log in attempt, and not all authorizations are accepted! When I log in into my gmail account on a computer and authorize the "suspect" log ins, gmail still refuses (8/10 times) to allow use through 3rd party apps. My experience with 3rd party email apps has been…

Go to your Google account and setup an app password. Might have to enable 'unsecure' access in additionele (Google think standards bases interfaces are outdated, you see). Then you can add your mail account through IMAP/SMTP, *DAV. As with all things Google, the only winning move is not to play. Long term I'm sure they'll axe this and tell you to use their app or bust.

agreed that it's best not to use gmail, but boy it is not easy to find a mail service to replace gmail/hotmail/yahoo/etc. So far the alternative seems paid protonmail, which I don't mind paying, but how long until they start doing 'funny' things like gmail et al and one has to migrate again.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by mook »

fnord123 wrote: post #166
pmontra wrote: post #66

As a Thunderbird and K-9 user this is 51% good news and 49% possibly bad new. Good news because it should increase the chances that the two products will live a longer life. Possibly bad news because I'm one of the crowd that went back to K-9 5.600 because the new version destroyed the UI that was the primary reason why we picked K-9 over other apps. 100% self selection bias here. There was maybe an ongoing effort to…

> A wish: an IMAP server backed by Thundebird's local storage and K-9 as client Isn't Thunderbird using some weird file based system? Wouldn't an SQLite backed client be a better idea in general? What would the advantage of thunderbirds local storage have aside from maturity?

The old format was basically "concatenate all mail together in one giant file". I believe newer versions support Maildir ("pretend you're an IMAP server"), partly to support antivirus better (i.e. when things get quarantined under you, hope only the bad message gets moved instead of all your mail).

They do have a weird database format ("mork"), but that is for state tracking, address books, etc. and not the actual messages, I believe.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Macha »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #181
Macha wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you used the gmail web interface? How do you do bulk actions on emails? Clicking a checkbox for every single one? Having to write an run a query for each set of emails you want to operate on in bulk? Here's how I do it in thunderbird. Sort by sender (or other thing). Click first email. Shift click last email. Do whatever I want (usually archive or move to a folder). My employer turned off IMAP access a few years…

>Here's how I do it in thunderbird. Sort by sender (or other thing). Click first email. Shift click last email. Do whatever I want (usually archive or move to a folder). This is pretty basic functionality for an email client to have. In GMail (Proton and Yandex too; probably any modern web client) works by clicking the checkbox. Click first email's checkbox. Shift click last email's checkbox.

Great, speaking of basic functionality, how do I sort?

I don't believe gmail supports this.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by 8845327 »

_jsnk wrote: post #174
8845327 wrote: post #125

Does anyone know how to make gmail play nice with K-9 or FairEmail? Gmail keeps asking me to log in through a browser on my phone, and authorize almost every log in attempt, and not all authorizations are accepted! When I log in into my gmail account on a computer and authorize the "suspect" log ins, gmail still refuses (8/10 times) to allow use through 3rd party apps. My experience with 3rd party email apps has been…

Regarding authorizing suspect logins, the only thing that would successfully authorize my email client access was visiting https://accounts.google.com/DisplayUnlockCaptcha I finally set up two factor auth in gmail using FreeOTP and have Fairemail (fdroid version) configured using an app password. (I run LineageOS with no Google services installed or account setup so the OAuth method isn't an option for me)

> LineageOS with no Google services

this is probably the better way in the long run, but freeOTP might do the trick for now!

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