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Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by pndy »

xg15 wrote: post #38

I'm continually creeped out by all the PR sugarcoating on what essentially are simple notices of acquisition. So all this is in effect saying is that K9 got acquired by Mozilla and will be integrated into the suite of Mozilla products. The justification given in the post is just non-information, because you could say this for almost any pair of software products if you define the terms fuzzily enough: > The Thunderbi…

They probably will provide message written in "big friendly letters" on a welcome screen at some point where it will be explained that K9 becomes Thunderbird, and how great that is for you as the user. Either they'll update the client or ask users to download new one and migrate - not sure how that happens on Android.

Will that help? Not sure. Mozilla seems to have weird goals nowadays.

Anyway, I'm so fed up with empty terms like "experiences" and "excitement" all around in IT. But guess that's what happens when you let marketing dictate way too many things in software development.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Macha »

Zak wrote: post #85
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two work in tandem, though. I use Firefox on mobile because I use Firefox on desktop. That and it being the only Android browser that runs uBlock Origin, of course. I currently use Thunderbird on desktop, but use a combination of Gmail and Outlook on Android. If Thunderbird picks up K-9 mail and turns it into a first-class mobile client, I'll probably use Thunderbird instead of the Outlook app. People like consis…

> That and it being the only Android browser that runs uBlock Origin, of course. There's also Kiwi. It runs pretty much any extension available for Desktop Chromium.

Though once manifest v3 is the only option, it's hard to say that'll really be as effective as uBlock Origin on Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Fnoord »

cookiengineer wrote: post #71
pmontra wrote: post #66

As a Thunderbird and K-9 user this is 51% good news and 49% possibly bad new. Good news because it should increase the chances that the two products will live a longer life. Possibly bad news because I'm one of the crowd that went back to K-9 5.600 because the new version destroyed the UI that was the primary reason why we picked K-9 over other apps. 100% self selection bias here. There was maybe an ongoing effort to…

Note that Mozilla has nothing to do with Thunderbird anymore. They abandoned Thunderbird and it's a totally separate community project these days.

P=P is based on K-9 and had a material design UI long before K-9 had it.

Postbox is based on Thunderbird with a more modern UI, but its Windows and macOS only (does work in Wine).

I stick with FairEmail on Android for now. Its completely FOSS and in active development.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by _jsnk »

8845327 wrote: post #125

Does anyone know how to make gmail play nice with K-9 or FairEmail? Gmail keeps asking me to log in through a browser on my phone, and authorize almost every log in attempt, and not all authorizations are accepted! When I log in into my gmail account on a computer and authorize the "suspect" log ins, gmail still refuses (8/10 times) to allow use through 3rd party apps. My experience with 3rd party email apps has been…

Regarding authorizing suspect logins, the only thing that would successfully authorize my email client access was visiting https://accounts.google.com/DisplayUnlockCaptcha

I finally set up two factor auth in gmail using FreeOTP and have Fairemail (fdroid version) configured using an app password. (I run LineageOS with no Google services installed or account setup so the OAuth method isn't an option for me)

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Zak »

Macha wrote: post #172
Zak wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That and it being the only Android browser that runs uBlock Origin, of course. There's also Kiwi. It runs pretty much any extension available for Desktop Chromium.

Though once manifest v3 is the only option, it's hard to say that'll really be as effective as uBlock Origin on Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

That's an issue. I'm really puzzled my Mozilla's sudden aversion to an open repository of extensions on Android.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Macha »

aidenn0 wrote: post #94

I hope that someday I will understand why people like Thunderbird. It is unequivocally the worst e-mail client I have ever used, excepting some early, extremely buggy versions of alpine. I tried it again recently as it is only one of only 3 e-mail clients I found that could do exchange oauth2[1]. It's possible that its interface isn't as objectively terrible as it seems, but it is gratuitously different; if you are g…

Have you used the gmail web interface?

How do you do bulk actions on emails? Clicking a checkbox for every single one? Having to write an run a query for each set of emails you want to operate on in bulk?

Here's how I do it in thunderbird. Sort by sender (or other thing). Click first email. Shift click last email. Do whatever I want (usually archive or move to a folder).

My employer turned off IMAP access a few years ago and I've basically given up managing my github/jira/mailing list spam. Filters turn out to be surprisingly fragile.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by Macha »

Zak wrote: post #175
Macha wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though once manifest v3 is the only option, it's hard to say that'll really be as effective as uBlock Origin on Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

That's an issue. I'm really puzzled my Mozilla's sudden aversion to an open repository of extensions on Android.

Yeah, me too. My best guess is that it's PM's who are overprotective of their idea of how it should work and feel they don't have to open the box as wide as on desktop.

But 20 > 0, all the same.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by emodendroket »

ekianjo wrote: post #35
emodendroket wrote: post #3

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but I worry about a loss of focus when Thunderbird is one of the few in a dying category on the desktop, which is much less true on mobile.

its mostly dying because its so poorly optimized it chokes on mailboxes that have more than hundred emails and cant do search properly. One of the worst FOSS out there.

The search functionality definitely could use work. But that’s my point. What other desktop email clients are you going to use instead?

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by L0stLink »

I would love to see what this will bring to K9 mail. I hope having the support of Thunderbird will allow K9 to really get some much needed polish. My preferred app right now is FairMail, its interface takes some getting used to and settings layout is very confusing but once I did manage to get it setup, it became clear that I preferred its extensive customizability and sidebar vs K9 when it comes to managing emails across multiple accounts. They are basically the only two FLOSS Email apps worth using on android, so K9 getting some extra support is really awesome.
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